@Orchid13 Many of the endless threads are made by the same people. Also, people are more likely to voice a complaint than a compliment. So family play is there.
Regarding neighbors: If the Sims' cousin is the neighbor, of course that is family play if you have them do things together.
You statement is wrong regarding the devs not adding anything new to family play. Controllable clubs is something new to the series that wasn't in previous games and that adds a lot of family play. As one example: players can create a club of sisters who live in different households that get together on weekends and paint and drink bar drinks at each others houses.
That's another thing I'd like to address. The relationships among family members doesn't exist. If you have a family of four and one of the parents' siblings gets married that person is not considered an Aunt or Uncle . I like the fact that they can recongize cousins but that part bothers me a little.
And when it comes to clubs and family play (this might just be me) are two different things. Those sisters that are in a club together who drink and paint on the weekends I could easily do that with calling them over and just having them spend time with one another.
@Simfan923 Can you post a video of you easily having NPCs perform specific this in the game without mods or using the club system? When you invite NPCs over, it is hard to control them to do specific actions at least in my game, without the club system in place. I could invite a group of NPC Sims over but that doesn't mean they are going to do the actions I want them to do and they won't do things I don't want them to do like play on the computer.
@Orchid13 Many of the endless threads are made by the same people. Also, people are more likely to voice a complaint than a compliment. So family play is there.
Regarding neighbors: If the Sims' cousin is the neighbor, of course that is family play if you have them do things together.
You statement is wrong regarding the devs not adding anything new to family play. Controllable clubs is something new to the series that wasn't in previous games and that adds a lot of family play. As one example: players can create a club of sisters who live in different households that get together on weekends and paint and drink bar drinks at each others houses.
That's another thing I'd like to address. The relationships among family members doesn't exist. If you have a family of four and one of the parents' siblings gets married that person is not considered an Aunt or Uncle . I like the fact that they can recongize cousins but that part bothers me a little.
And when it comes to clubs and family play (this might just be me) are two different things. Those sisters that are in a club together who drink and paint on the weekends I could easily do that with calling them over and just having them spend time with one another.
That doesn't make any sense at all. They can't recognize aunts and uncles but cousins are no problem how can that even work?
@Orchid13 Many of the endless threads are made by the same people. Also, people are more likely to voice a complaint than a compliment. So family play is there.
Regarding neighbors: If the Sims' cousin is the neighbor, of course that is family play if you have them do things together.
You statement is wrong regarding the devs not adding anything new to family play. Controllable clubs is something new to the series that wasn't in previous games and that adds a lot of family play. As one example: players can create a club of sisters who live in different households that get together on weekends and paint and drink bar drinks at each others houses.
That's another thing I'd like to address. The relationships among family members doesn't exist. If you have a family of four and one of the parents' siblings gets married that person is not considered an Aunt or Uncle . I like the fact that they can recongize cousins but that part bothers me a little.
And when it comes to clubs and family play (this might just be me) are two different things. Those sisters that are in a club together who drink and paint on the weekends I could easily do that with calling them over and just having them spend time with one another.
That doesn't make any sense at all. They can't recognize aunts and uncles but cousins are no problem how can that even work?
They recognize aunts and uncles if those Sims are their parents' siblings. They just don't recognize in-laws, so if your Sims aunt gets married they won't recognize her husband as an uncle.
"It's like there's a pink elephant in the room and no one's allowed to talk about it."
@Orchid13 Many of the endless threads are made by the same people. Also, people are more likely to voice a complaint than a compliment. So family play is there.
Regarding neighbors: If the Sims' cousin is the neighbor, of course that is family play if you have them do things together.
You statement is wrong regarding the devs not adding anything new to family play. Controllable clubs is something new to the series that wasn't in previous games and that adds a lot of family play. As one example: players can create a club of sisters who live in different households that get together on weekends and paint and drink bar drinks at each others houses.
That's another thing I'd like to address. The relationships among family members doesn't exist. If you have a family of four and one of the parents' siblings gets married that person is not considered an Aunt or Uncle . I like the fact that they can recongize cousins but that part bothers me a little.
And when it comes to clubs and family play (this might just be me) are two different things. Those sisters that are in a club together who drink and paint on the weekends I could easily do that with calling them over and just having them spend time with one another.
That doesn't make any sense at all. They can't recognize aunts and uncles but cousins are no problem how can that even work?
They recognize aunts and uncles if those Sims are their parents' siblings. They just don't recognize in-laws, so if your Sims aunt gets married they won't recognize her husband as an uncle.
@Orchid13 Many of the endless threads are made by the same people. Also, people are more likely to voice a complaint than a compliment. So family play is there.
Regarding neighbors: If the Sims' cousin is the neighbor, of course that is family play if you have them do things together.
You statement is wrong regarding the devs not adding anything new to family play. Controllable clubs is something new to the series that wasn't in previous games and that adds a lot of family play. As one example: players can create a club of sisters who live in different households that get together on weekends and paint and drink bar drinks at each others houses.
That's another thing I'd like to address. The relationships among family members doesn't exist. If you have a family of four and one of the parents' siblings gets married that person is not considered an Aunt or Uncle . I like the fact that they can recongize cousins but that part bothers me a little.
And when it comes to clubs and family play (this might just be me) are two different things. Those sisters that are in a club together who drink and paint on the weekends I could easily do that with calling them over and just having them spend time with one another.
That doesn't make any sense at all. They can't recognize aunts and uncles but cousins are no problem how can that even work?
They recognize aunts and uncles if those Sims are their parents' siblings. They just don't recognize in-laws, so if your Sims aunt gets married they won't recognize her husband as an uncle.
Oh, that's...strange.
Weren't they able to recognize in laws in sims 3?
I think they did to a certain degree. I remember them recognizing step parents and step siblings as relatives, as well as mother and father in-laws. I can't recall if that extended to married-in aunts and uncles, though. It's been a few years since I played that game last.
I do recall in Sims 2 I had a Sim that had an affair with her sister's husband. So they haven't always recognized married-in Sims as relatives. Which is pretty realistic , actually. In real life I could have a romantic relationship with my aunts husband if I wanted to....would be a little creepy, yes, lol... But nothing that would technically be considered incest.
"It's like there's a pink elephant in the room and no one's allowed to talk about it."
@Orchid13 Many of the endless threads are made by the same people. Also, people are more likely to voice a complaint than a compliment. So family play is there.
Regarding neighbors: If the Sims' cousin is the neighbor, of course that is family play if you have them do things together.
You statement is wrong regarding the devs not adding anything new to family play. Controllable clubs is something new to the series that wasn't in previous games and that adds a lot of family play. As one example: players can create a club of sisters who live in different households that get together on weekends and paint and drink bar drinks at each others houses.
I can do that in every single game if i invite them over to my house...
@Orchid13 Many of the endless threads are made by the same people. Also, people are more likely to voice a complaint than a compliment. So family play is there.
Regarding neighbors: If the Sims' cousin is the neighbor, of course that is family play if you have them do things together.
You statement is wrong regarding the devs not adding anything new to family play. Controllable clubs is something new to the series that wasn't in previous games and that adds a lot of family play. As one example: players can create a club of sisters who live in different households that get together on weekends and paint and drink bar drinks at each others houses.
I can do that in every single game if i invite them over to my house...
@Simfan923 Can you post a video of you easily having NPCs perform specific this in the game without mods or using the club system? When you invite NPCs over, it is hard to control them to do specific actions at least in my game, without the club system in place. I could invite a group of NPC Sims over but that doesn't mean they are going to do the actions I want them to do and they won't do things I don't want them to do like play on the computer.
In many games you could invite a friend to join you in an activity. It's hardly anything new. In fact just recently i wanted one of my group members to grill something and he didn't i wish the club leader could give orders
I think the OP is right. You can have excellent family play without superfluous life stages. In fact, I'll go so far to argue that we can do away elders (because seriously, most players end up sticking them in an old folk's home and not playing them so they don't die, or turning them into ghosts anyway) and without university, we don't need young adults (will never understand the point of this lifestage anyway... why not just increase the time for adults?!) and since YAs and teens look the same, let's go ahead and get rid of the teens so that--if we play a family friendly game--we don't have to be bothered hovering our mouse over a sim to see if they are a teen or YA before our adult sim opts to be 'flirty' with them. I know for a fact that you can have AMAZING family stories with the life stages which remain because I've been there and done that before.
Gosh, I do hope when you become an elder in RL that you don't just get shoved aside as no longer a viable part of society. Or end up in a stinking old folk's home. My goodness I'm NOT superfluous. Nor are YA's. I was married at 19 (a YA), so some of us take our Sims on similar journeys. And I do play my Elders. Most of the deaths in my game have been from old age. I don't blythly end a Sims' life just to have a ghost.
In case you were unaware, females in RL tend to look very adult. In fact many don't change at all for many, many years. I think Sims4 Sims are just reflecting this bit of reality. I don't wish to lose life stages, I'd much rather gain some (toddlers, being top of the list).
I do agree with you on one point, however. It IS possible to have amazing family stories with the life stages we have in this game. I have found a way to do so, myself. But, that doesn't mean I don't pine for toddlers. Adding them back to the game, would fill an ENORMOUS hole in the life of a Sim.
@Orchid13 Many of the endless threads are made by the same people. Also, people are more likely to voice a complaint than a compliment. So family play is there.
Regarding neighbors: If the Sims' cousin is the neighbor, of course that is family play if you have them do things together.
You statement is wrong regarding the devs not adding anything new to family play. Controllable clubs is something new to the series that wasn't in previous games and that adds a lot of family play. As one example: players can create a club of sisters who live in different households that get together on weekends and paint and drink bar drinks at each others houses.
That's another thing I'd like to address. The relationships among family members doesn't exist. If you have a family of four and one of the parents' siblings gets married that person is not considered an Aunt or Uncle . I like the fact that they can recongize cousins but that part bothers me a little.
And when it comes to clubs and family play (this might just be me) are two different things. Those sisters that are in a club together who drink and paint on the weekends I could easily do that with calling them over and just having them spend time with one another.
That doesn't make any sense at all. They can't recognize aunts and uncles but cousins are no problem how can that even work?
They recognize aunts and uncles if those Sims are their parents' siblings. They just don't recognize in-laws, so if your Sims aunt gets married they won't recognize her husband as an uncle.
^This I should've been clearer haha. But yes in laws are definitely not recognized in TS4.
@Orchid13 Of course you won't post a video. You are the one claiming players can do the exact same things clubs bring in The Sims 2 and 3. First off, in The Sims 2, players could not visit the houses of other Sims. Secondly, in The Sims 3 there was no option for Sims to paint together.
How is that family play? I won't post a video cause i dont owe you anything. And in the sims 2 you could invite ppl over
@Orchid13 You could invite people over in The Sims 2 but you couldn't go over to their houses and play your Sim. I am talking about going over to another Sim's house and playing your Sim. That is something you can't do in The Sims 2 without mods. You refused to post a video and you won't remove your mods because you know what you stated isn't possible.
I thought families spending time together and doing activities together was a part of family play? Sisters are family right?
Maybe Orchid is talking about the group system in Sims 3? I had a group of Sims go out to a Karokee bar together and two of them 2 karrokee while the third one booed them.
@Invaderchickycat We have had the group system in the entire series. I am specifically talking about the club system. The club system offers way more to gameplay than the group system.
@Orchid13 You could invite people over in The Sims 2 but you couldn't go over to their houses and play your Sim. I am talking about going over to another Sim's house and playing your Sim. That is something you can't do in The Sims 2 without mods. You refused to post a video and you won't remove your mods because you know what you stated isn't possible.
I thought families spending time together and doing activities together was a part of family play? Sisters are family right?
Um? What . I only have the sims 4 installed. Don't speak FOR me. Who cares if i can't go over if they can come to me? Its irrelevant to me. Its not family play either you are changing your own original topic.
Also stop asking for a video. If i dont want to post one is cause i don't last more than 30 minutes playing the game and i have other stuff to do
Maybe Orchid is talking about the group system in Sims 3? I had a group of Sims go out to a Karokee bar together and two of them 2 karrokee while the third one booed them.
Not even that. I mean yeah that was always possible, but to me doing things together was not a problem with other games. I would join sims in activities
@Orchid13 You could invite people over in The Sims 2 but you couldn't go over to their houses and play your Sim. I am talking about going over to another Sim's house and playing your Sim. That is something you can't do in The Sims 2 without mods. You refused to post a video and you won't remove your mods because you know what you stated isn't possible.
I thought families spending time together and doing activities together was a part of family play? Sisters are family right?
I can do that in every game and better. In ts4 children can't do stuff together unless its linked to an objects. In other sims my sims could play catch, cops and robbers and more
I think the OP is right. You can have excellent family play without superfluous life stages. In fact, I'll go so far to argue that we can do away elders (because seriously, most players end up sticking them in an old folk's home and not playing them so they don't die, or turning them into ghosts anyway) and without university, we don't need young adults (will never understand the point of this lifestage anyway... why not just increase the time for adults?!) and since YAs and teens look the same, let's go ahead and get rid of the teens so that--if we play a family friendly game--we don't have to be bothered hovering our mouse over a sim to see if they are a teen or YA before our adult sim opts to be 'flirty' with them. I know for a fact that you can have AMAZING family stories with the life stages which remain because I've been there and done that before.
Gosh, I do hope when you become an elder in RL that you don't just get shoved aside as no longer a viable part of society. Or end up in a stinking old folk's home. My goodness I'm NOT superfluous. Nor are YA's. I was married at 19 (a YA), so some of us take our Sims on similar journeys. And I do play my Elders. Most of the deaths in my game have been from old age. I don't blythly end a Sims' life just to have a ghost.
In case you were unaware, females in RL tend to look very adult. In fact many don't change at all for many, many years. I think Sims4 Sims are just reflecting this bit of reality. I don't wish to lose life stages, I'd much rather gain some (toddlers, being top of the list).
I do agree with you on one point, however. It IS possible to have amazing family stories with the life stages we have in this game. I have found a way to do so, myself. But, that doesn't mean I don't pine for toddlers. Adding them back to the game, would fill an ENORMOUS hole in the life of a Sim.
I agree with you on all points @GalacticGal however I am pretty sure @nanashi-sims was being sarcastic. :P
"It's like there's a pink elephant in the room and no one's allowed to talk about it."
I think the OP is right. You can have excellent family play without superfluous life stages. In fact, I'll go so far to argue that we can do away elders (because seriously, most players end up sticking them in an old folk's home and not playing them so they don't die, or turning them into ghosts anyway) and without university, we don't need young adults (will never understand the point of this lifestage anyway... why not just increase the time for adults?!) and since YAs and teens look the same, let's go ahead and get rid of the teens so that--if we play a family friendly game--we don't have to be bothered hovering our mouse over a sim to see if they are a teen or YA before our adult sim opts to be 'flirty' with them. I know for a fact that you can have AMAZING family stories with the life stages which remain because I've been there and done that before.
Gosh, I do hope when you become an elder in RL that you don't just get shoved aside as no longer a viable part of society. Or end up in a stinking old folk's home. My goodness I'm NOT superfluous. Nor are YA's. I was married at 19 (a YA), so some of us take our Sims on similar journeys. And I do play my Elders. Most of the deaths in my game have been from old age. I don't blythly end a Sims' life just to have a ghost.
In case you were unaware, females in RL tend to look very adult. In fact many don't change at all for many, many years. I think Sims4 Sims are just reflecting this bit of reality. I don't wish to lose life stages, I'd much rather gain some (toddlers, being top of the list).
I do agree with you on one point, however. It IS possible to have amazing family stories with the life stages we have in this game. I have found a way to do so, myself. But, that doesn't mean I don't pine for toddlers. Adding them back to the game, would fill an ENORMOUS hole in the life of a Sim.
@GalacticGal - you are right. You are not superfluous. I don't even know who you are, but I am certain of that much. My post was never intended to imply that.
@manda9801 They devs said several times they are working on culling. There have been improvements. People just aren't patient.
I've had aging off in most of my saves since october 2014, how much more patient should I be? Oh right there's a mod for that! So just close my mouth and never complain to the devs to get this simple thing fixed? Or at least a box to check that says "hey my pc is good enough let me have as many sims as I can until it crashes!".
*loud dramatic sigh*
ETA: And as much as I enjoy clubs, let's not fool ourselves here. Clubs are nothing more than automated group actions to pretend the area is *lively*. Because the sims on their own lack personality so you need to put them in a club and push them to do things you create them to do because on their own, well, they'll just act like any other sim. Traits don't matter, emotions don't matter, relationships barely matter.
Gosh, when will people get that the toddler/teen height rage exists because TS4 was made in a PLUMMING LAZY WAY
They've just cut content and expect people to be a-okay. Unacceptable.
"But I don't care about the toddlers" - yeah, I'm not a toddler lover myself, but I want the biggest bang for my buck. I've paid MORE for TS4 base game and got LESS than what I'd got in TS2. TS2 had complete family play in the base game, actually it was its charms, because the great innovation was generational play.
Let's stop with the excuses, if it was doable 10 years ago, it is definetely doable now. The rage is very well justified.
As for family play, it really depends on what people consider family play. I mostly consider it exclusive actions and animations in between brothers/sisters/grandpas/grandmas/pappas/mammas. Also, toddler stage was really a bonding stage for many people. So in these regards, I think TS4 is kinda lacking, or at the very least adds zero to the table.
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That's another thing I'd like to address. The relationships among family members doesn't exist. If you have a family of four and one of the parents' siblings gets married that person is not considered an Aunt or Uncle . I like the fact that they can recongize cousins but that part bothers me a little.
And when it comes to clubs and family play (this might just be me) are two different things. Those sisters that are in a club together who drink and paint on the weekends I could easily do that with calling them over and just having them spend time with one another.
That doesn't make any sense at all.
They recognize aunts and uncles if those Sims are their parents' siblings. They just don't recognize in-laws, so if your Sims aunt gets married they won't recognize her husband as an uncle.
Oh, that's...strange.
Weren't they able to recognize in laws in sims 3?
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I think they did to a certain degree. I remember them recognizing step parents and step siblings as relatives, as well as mother and father in-laws. I can't recall if that extended to married-in aunts and uncles, though. It's been a few years since I played that game last.
I do recall in Sims 2 I had a Sim that had an affair with her sister's husband. So they haven't always recognized married-in Sims as relatives. Which is pretty realistic , actually. In real life I could have a romantic relationship with my aunts husband if I wanted to....would be a little creepy, yes, lol... But nothing that would technically be considered incest.
I can do that in every single game if i invite them over to my house...
I can do that in every single game if i invite them over to my house...
In many games you could invite a friend to join you in an activity. It's hardly anything new. In fact just recently i wanted one of my group members to grill something and he didn't i wish the club leader could give orders
And yes grilling was part of the activity
Um no? I don't have a video. Nor will i waste my time doing one. Also i won't erase my mods, the game is unplayable without them
Gosh, I do hope when you become an elder in RL that you don't just get shoved aside as no longer a viable part of society. Or end up in a stinking old folk's home. My goodness I'm NOT superfluous. Nor are YA's. I was married at 19 (a YA), so some of us take our Sims on similar journeys. And I do play my Elders. Most of the deaths in my game have been from old age. I don't blythly end a Sims' life just to have a ghost.
In case you were unaware, females in RL tend to look very adult. In fact many don't change at all for many, many years. I think Sims4 Sims are just reflecting this bit of reality. I don't wish to lose life stages, I'd much rather gain some (toddlers, being top of the list).
I do agree with you on one point, however. It IS possible to have amazing family stories with the life stages we have in this game. I have found a way to do so, myself. But, that doesn't mean I don't pine for toddlers. Adding them back to the game, would fill an ENORMOUS hole in the life of a Sim.
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^This I should've been clearer haha. But yes in laws are definitely not recognized in TS4.
I thought we could disable mods now without removing the folder?
How is that family play? I won't post a video cause i dont owe you anything. And in the sims 2 you could invite ppl over
The clubs brought in stuff, but not family play
You can, but i rather not mess around too much with it, cause the mc command center is a pain
I thought families spending time together and doing activities together was a part of family play? Sisters are family right?
Um? What . I only have the sims 4 installed. Don't speak FOR me. Who cares if i can't go over if they can come to me? Its irrelevant to me. Its not family play either you are changing your own original topic.
Also stop asking for a video. If i dont want to post one is cause i don't last more than 30 minutes playing the game and i have other stuff to do
Not even that. I mean yeah that was always possible, but to me doing things together was not a problem with other games. I would join sims in activities
I can do that in every game and better. In ts4 children can't do stuff together unless its linked to an objects. In other sims my sims could play catch, cops and robbers and more
I agree with you on all points @GalacticGal however I am pretty sure @nanashi-sims was being sarcastic. :P
@GalacticGal - you are right. You are not superfluous. I don't even know who you are, but I am certain of that much. My post was never intended to imply that.
Thank you @StarlingGray.
Too bad toddlers can't register for this site to call folks out for dismissing their significance
I've had aging off in most of my saves since october 2014, how much more patient should I be? Oh right there's a mod for that! So just close my mouth and never complain to the devs to get this simple thing fixed? Or at least a box to check that says "hey my pc is good enough let me have as many sims as I can until it crashes!".
*loud dramatic sigh*
ETA: And as much as I enjoy clubs, let's not fool ourselves here. Clubs are nothing more than automated group actions to pretend the area is *lively*. Because the sims on their own lack personality so you need to put them in a club and push them to do things you create them to do because on their own, well, they'll just act like any other sim. Traits don't matter, emotions don't matter, relationships barely matter.
They've just cut content and expect people to be a-okay. Unacceptable.
"But I don't care about the toddlers" - yeah, I'm not a toddler lover myself, but I want the biggest bang for my buck. I've paid MORE for TS4 base game and got LESS than what I'd got in TS2. TS2 had complete family play in the base game, actually it was its charms, because the great innovation was generational play.
Let's stop with the excuses, if it was doable 10 years ago, it is definetely doable now. The rage is very well justified.
As for family play, it really depends on what people consider family play. I mostly consider it exclusive actions and animations in between brothers/sisters/grandpas/grandmas/pappas/mammas. Also, toddler stage was really a bonding stage for many people. So in these regards, I think TS4 is kinda lacking, or at the very least adds zero to the table.