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    AlbaWaterhouseAlbaWaterhouse Posts: 3,953 Member
    The emotions system is plum but it also disturbs me a little that this is the kind of stories you tell in your game :#
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    PHOEBESMOM601PHOEBESMOM601 Posts: 14,595 Member
    The emotions system is plum but it also disturbs me a little that this is the kind of stories you tell in your game :#

    Why is it disturbing?

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    AlbaWaterhouseAlbaWaterhouse Posts: 3,953 Member
    edited July 2015
    The emotions system is plum but it also disturbs me a little that this is the kind of stories you tell in your game :#

    Why is it disturbing?

    Well, I would have never thought of playing an abusive husband nor making a couple fist fight. I just didn't know other players played such dark stories.

    edit: I know that we kill Sims off and stuff but I didn't think of this type of violence.
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    Ponder the SimPonder the Sim Posts: 3,054 Member
    I believe the inability to create that dark type of atmosphere without mods is intentional for the games rating.

    However, I do agree with those in here who wish their sims had some form of memory... reputation, etc.

    What dark atmosphere?

    Physically abusive relationships.
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    PHOEBESMOM601PHOEBESMOM601 Posts: 14,595 Member
    The emotions system is plum but it also disturbs me a little that this is the kind of stories you tell in your game :#

    Why is it disturbing?

    Well, I would have never thought of playing an abusive husband nor making a couple fist fight. I just didn't know other players played such dark stories.

    edit: I know that we kill Sims off and stuff but I didn't think of this type of violence.

    You'd probably think my play was dark and twisted. I can't remember the last time I played what most people think of as a "regular" family. I find that kind of play mind numbingly boring. I'm a fan of true crime....books, movies and TV. My play can emulate these stories and in the past even used mods to make it more realistic. I play homeless Sims, evil Sims, black widows and go down the dark alleys of Sim play. I don't think I'm all that unusual either.

    "People really love to explore 'failure states. In fact, the failure states are really much more interesting than the success states." ~ Will Wright
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    PHOEBESMOM601PHOEBESMOM601 Posts: 14,595 Member
    I believe the inability to create that dark type of atmosphere without mods is intentional for the games rating.

    However, I do agree with those in here who wish their sims had some form of memory... reputation, etc.

    What dark atmosphere?

    Physically abusive relationships.

    You do realize that TS4 has a way to go without worrying about the rating right? The same company that made TS4 made The Sims Medieval and it has the same rating...T for teen. Medieval contains murder, duel to the death, death by poison, execution, by magic spell and illness. Technically you could say it contains suicide because a Sim can jump into the pit to be killed by the pit monster.

    The ability to go further has only been hampered by the developers not the ESRB.

    "People really love to explore 'failure states. In fact, the failure states are really much more interesting than the success states." ~ Will Wright
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    fairymama47fairymama47 Posts: 180 Member
    I enjoy playing sims that don't live a vanilla life...some families are perfect and happy, others are messed up and full of drama much like real life. I just wish the emotions matched the storyline.
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    Ponder the SimPonder the Sim Posts: 3,054 Member
    I believe the inability to create that dark type of atmosphere without mods is intentional for the games rating.

    However, I do agree with those in here who wish their sims had some form of memory... reputation, etc.

    What dark atmosphere?

    Physically abusive relationships.

    You do realize that TS4 has a way to go without worrying about the rating right? The same company that made TS4 made The Sims Medieval and it has the same rating...T for teen. Medieval contains murder, duel to the death, death by poison, execution, by magic spell and illness. Technically you could say it contains suicide because a Sim can jump into the pit to be killed by the pit monster.

    The ability to go further has only been hampered by the developers not the ESRB.

    Some subjects are considered taboo, and others are not. EA knows this.

    I don't make the rules of society, so there's no need to pull attitude with me over it.
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    bshag4lvbshag4lv Posts: 9,377 Member
    Back to the OP's question, I had my sim couple who are athletic, friendly fight. It looked like a real fight but in the end they both laughed about it.

    Chances are you hit the friendly fight by mistake. If there had been a real fight, you have to have interactions leading up to that option. Their bar has to be in the red for them to duke it out and not just yell or insult.

    Good luck and happy simming. o:)
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    pageybearpageybear Posts: 180 Member
    The thing that irritates me is when my sims die. Some family members don't care at all and other ones i can't stop them mourning. Don't get me started on the culling of my urns to boot. :(
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    PHOEBESMOM601PHOEBESMOM601 Posts: 14,595 Member
    I believe the inability to create that dark type of atmosphere without mods is intentional for the games rating.

    However, I do agree with those in here who wish their sims had some form of memory... reputation, etc.

    What dark atmosphere?

    Physically abusive relationships.

    You do realize that TS4 has a way to go without worrying about the rating right? The same company that made TS4 made The Sims Medieval and it has the same rating...T for teen. Medieval contains murder, duel to the death, death by poison, execution, by magic spell and illness. Technically you could say it contains suicide because a Sim can jump into the pit to be killed by the pit monster.

    The ability to go further has only been hampered by the developers not the ESRB.

    Some subjects are considered taboo, and others are not. EA knows this.

    I don't make the rules of society, so there's no need to pull attitude with me over it.


    How in the world was I pulling an attitude? I was letting you know that one Sim is perfectly able to hit another Sim and it's far from pushing the limits of ratings. Have you ever done it? Push two Sims to anger and you'll get the option to fight. What you see is a cartoon like dust cloud. It's far from taboo or ominous.

    The T rating allows for violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.





    "People really love to explore 'failure states. In fact, the failure states are really much more interesting than the success states." ~ Will Wright
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    PHOEBESMOM601PHOEBESMOM601 Posts: 14,595 Member
    pageybear wrote: »
    The thing that irritates me is when my sims die. Some family members don't care at all and other ones i can't stop them mourning. Don't get me started on the culling of my urns to boot. :(

    That whole culling thing has stopped me from playing. What bothers me is the last thing I read was that the devs said it was working the way it's supposed to. Really? Why give us ghosts and family trees if they are just going to get culled? Why bother building up a relationship with a townie if they might not be there tomorrow?

    "People really love to explore 'failure states. In fact, the failure states are really much more interesting than the success states." ~ Will Wright
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    Ponder the SimPonder the Sim Posts: 3,054 Member
    I believe the inability to create that dark type of atmosphere without mods is intentional for the games rating.

    However, I do agree with those in here who wish their sims had some form of memory... reputation, etc.

    What dark atmosphere?

    Physically abusive relationships.

    You do realize that TS4 has a way to go without worrying about the rating right? The same company that made TS4 made The Sims Medieval and it has the same rating...T for teen. Medieval contains murder, duel to the death, death by poison, execution, by magic spell and illness. Technically you could say it contains suicide because a Sim can jump into the pit to be killed by the pit monster.

    The ability to go further has only been hampered by the developers not the ESRB.

    Some subjects are considered taboo, and others are not. EA knows this.

    I don't make the rules of society, so there's no need to pull attitude with me over it.


    How in the world was I pulling an attitude? I was letting you know that one Sim is perfectly able to hit another Sim and it's far from pushing the limits of ratings. Have you ever done it? Push two Sims to anger and you'll get the option to fight. What you see is a cartoon like dust cloud. It's far from taboo or ominous.

    The T rating allows for violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.

    Two sims in a dust cloud is not the same as a real abusive relationship which is what the OP wants to be able to simulate. That's what I was referring to being a taboo subject.
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    ModerateOspreyModerateOsprey Posts: 4,875 Member
    I believe the inability to create that dark type of atmosphere without mods is intentional for the games rating.

    However, I do agree with those in here who wish their sims had some form of memory... reputation, etc.

    A reputation system would be brilliant!!!

    As for memories, I am very disappointed with the extremely basic applet provided.

    I am less disappointed in traits though. I think some balancing needs to be done, but you do get very different feel when playing sims with different traits. Just after the OR came out, I did a post telling folk I had made a neat and squeamish sim - that poor, poor sim. Was actually quite hard to play.

    I like putting conflicting traits together on a single sim or putting two traits on that buff each other to make specialised sims.

    I also think you should be able to put evil/good together on an insane sim
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    PHOEBESMOM601PHOEBESMOM601 Posts: 14,595 Member
    I believe the inability to create that dark type of atmosphere without mods is intentional for the games rating.

    However, I do agree with those in here who wish their sims had some form of memory... reputation, etc.

    What dark atmosphere?

    Physically abusive relationships.

    You do realize that TS4 has a way to go without worrying about the rating right? The same company that made TS4 made The Sims Medieval and it has the same rating...T for teen. Medieval contains murder, duel to the death, death by poison, execution, by magic spell and illness. Technically you could say it contains suicide because a Sim can jump into the pit to be killed by the pit monster.

    The ability to go further has only been hampered by the developers not the ESRB.

    Some subjects are considered taboo, and others are not. EA knows this.

    I don't make the rules of society, so there's no need to pull attitude with me over it.


    How in the world was I pulling an attitude? I was letting you know that one Sim is perfectly able to hit another Sim and it's far from pushing the limits of ratings. Have you ever done it? Push two Sims to anger and you'll get the option to fight. What you see is a cartoon like dust cloud. It's far from taboo or ominous.

    The T rating allows for violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.

    Two sims in a dust cloud is not the same as a real abusive relationship which is what the OP wants to be able to simulate. That's what I was referring to being a taboo subject.

    You might not like what the OP is doing but it's not a taboo subject.

    This is what the OP wrote.

    "So I have a storyline with an abusive husband that berates and degrades his wife constantly...the other day they ended up getting in a fist fight. The strangest think happened afterwards. He "won" the fight, she then shook her head a little and giggled and they proceeded to have a long happy conversation afterward. I really wish the emotions in this game were more realistic. "

    The (unmodded) game allows one Sim to talk to another that way. Also please show me where the OP indicated that "the fight" was other than what the game allows.

    "People really love to explore 'failure states. In fact, the failure states are really much more interesting than the success states." ~ Will Wright
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    Sk8rblazeSk8rblaze Posts: 7,570 Member
    TS4's emotions are a good concept, but a horrible execution.
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    emmaningemmaning Posts: 3,407 Member
    Emotions are perfect in sims 4... o:)
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    PHOEBESMOM601PHOEBESMOM601 Posts: 14,595 Member
    Sk8rblaze wrote: »
    TS4's emotions are a good concept, but a horrible execution.

    I agree. They really missed the mark.

    "People really love to explore 'failure states. In fact, the failure states are really much more interesting than the success states." ~ Will Wright
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    schtanPschtanP Posts: 5 New Member
    If you are not opposed to use mods I’ve found that these has helped enormously in improving the emotions system by letting negative emotion become stronger and last somewhat longer.
    1st mod removes the good environment moodlet and the second mod makes the uncomfortable moodlets stack with negative emotions.
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    Ponder the SimPonder the Sim Posts: 3,054 Member
    I believe the inability to create that dark type of atmosphere without mods is intentional for the games rating.

    However, I do agree with those in here who wish their sims had some form of memory... reputation, etc.

    What dark atmosphere?

    Physically abusive relationships.

    You do realize that TS4 has a way to go without worrying about the rating right? The same company that made TS4 made The Sims Medieval and it has the same rating...T for teen. Medieval contains murder, duel to the death, death by poison, execution, by magic spell and illness. Technically you could say it contains suicide because a Sim can jump into the pit to be killed by the pit monster.

    The ability to go further has only been hampered by the developers not the ESRB.

    Some subjects are considered taboo, and others are not. EA knows this.

    I don't make the rules of society, so there's no need to pull attitude with me over it.


    How in the world was I pulling an attitude? I was letting you know that one Sim is perfectly able to hit another Sim and it's far from pushing the limits of ratings. Have you ever done it? Push two Sims to anger and you'll get the option to fight. What you see is a cartoon like dust cloud. It's far from taboo or ominous.

    The T rating allows for violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.

    Two sims in a dust cloud is not the same as a real abusive relationship which is what the OP wants to be able to simulate. That's what I was referring to being a taboo subject.

    You might not like what the OP is doing but it's not a taboo subject.

    This is what the OP wrote.

    "So I have a storyline with an abusive husband that berates and degrades his wife constantly...the other day they ended up getting in a fist fight. The strangest think happened afterwards. He "won" the fight, she then shook her head a little and giggled and they proceeded to have a long happy conversation afterward. I really wish the emotions in this game were more realistic. "

    The (unmodded) game allows one Sim to talk to another that way. Also please show me where the OP indicated that "the fight" was other than what the game allows.

    I guess we will have to agree to disagree.
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    PHOEBESMOM601PHOEBESMOM601 Posts: 14,595 Member
    I believe the inability to create that dark type of atmosphere without mods is intentional for the games rating.

    However, I do agree with those in here who wish their sims had some form of memory... reputation, etc.

    What dark atmosphere?

    Physically abusive relationships.

    You do realize that TS4 has a way to go without worrying about the rating right? The same company that made TS4 made The Sims Medieval and it has the same rating...T for teen. Medieval contains murder, duel to the death, death by poison, execution, by magic spell and illness. Technically you could say it contains suicide because a Sim can jump into the pit to be killed by the pit monster.

    The ability to go further has only been hampered by the developers not the ESRB.

    Some subjects are considered taboo, and others are not. EA knows this.

    I don't make the rules of society, so there's no need to pull attitude with me over it.


    How in the world was I pulling an attitude? I was letting you know that one Sim is perfectly able to hit another Sim and it's far from pushing the limits of ratings. Have you ever done it? Push two Sims to anger and you'll get the option to fight. What you see is a cartoon like dust cloud. It's far from taboo or ominous.

    The T rating allows for violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.

    Two sims in a dust cloud is not the same as a real abusive relationship which is what the OP wants to be able to simulate. That's what I was referring to being a taboo subject.

    You might not like what the OP is doing but it's not a taboo subject.

    This is what the OP wrote.

    "So I have a storyline with an abusive husband that berates and degrades his wife constantly...the other day they ended up getting in a fist fight. The strangest think happened afterwards. He "won" the fight, she then shook her head a little and giggled and they proceeded to have a long happy conversation afterward. I really wish the emotions in this game were more realistic. "

    The (unmodded) game allows one Sim to talk to another that way. Also please show me where the OP indicated that "the fight" was other than what the game allows.

    I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

    Agree to disagree that the game requires mods to do this? That is what the started the discussion.

    "People really love to explore 'failure states. In fact, the failure states are really much more interesting than the success states." ~ Will Wright
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    Ponder the SimPonder the Sim Posts: 3,054 Member
    I believe the inability to create that dark type of atmosphere without mods is intentional for the games rating.

    However, I do agree with those in here who wish their sims had some form of memory... reputation, etc.

    What dark atmosphere?

    Physically abusive relationships.

    You do realize that TS4 has a way to go without worrying about the rating right? The same company that made TS4 made The Sims Medieval and it has the same rating...T for teen. Medieval contains murder, duel to the death, death by poison, execution, by magic spell and illness. Technically you could say it contains suicide because a Sim can jump into the pit to be killed by the pit monster.

    The ability to go further has only been hampered by the developers not the ESRB.

    Some subjects are considered taboo, and others are not. EA knows this.

    I don't make the rules of society, so there's no need to pull attitude with me over it.


    How in the world was I pulling an attitude? I was letting you know that one Sim is perfectly able to hit another Sim and it's far from pushing the limits of ratings. Have you ever done it? Push two Sims to anger and you'll get the option to fight. What you see is a cartoon like dust cloud. It's far from taboo or ominous.

    The T rating allows for violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.

    Two sims in a dust cloud is not the same as a real abusive relationship which is what the OP wants to be able to simulate. That's what I was referring to being a taboo subject.

    You might not like what the OP is doing but it's not a taboo subject.

    This is what the OP wrote.

    "So I have a storyline with an abusive husband that berates and degrades his wife constantly...the other day they ended up getting in a fist fight. The strangest think happened afterwards. He "won" the fight, she then shook her head a little and giggled and they proceeded to have a long happy conversation afterward. I really wish the emotions in this game were more realistic. "

    The (unmodded) game allows one Sim to talk to another that way. Also please show me where the OP indicated that "the fight" was other than what the game allows.

    I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

    Agree to disagree that the game requires mods to do this? That is what the started the discussion.

    You continue to miss my point entirely, so I'm dropping the conversation all together. I'm really not looking for a fight.
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    PHOEBESMOM601PHOEBESMOM601 Posts: 14,595 Member
    I believe the inability to create that dark type of atmosphere without mods is intentional for the games rating.

    However, I do agree with those in here who wish their sims had some form of memory... reputation, etc.

    What dark atmosphere?

    Physically abusive relationships.

    You do realize that TS4 has a way to go without worrying about the rating right? The same company that made TS4 made The Sims Medieval and it has the same rating...T for teen. Medieval contains murder, duel to the death, death by poison, execution, by magic spell and illness. Technically you could say it contains suicide because a Sim can jump into the pit to be killed by the pit monster.

    The ability to go further has only been hampered by the developers not the ESRB.

    Some subjects are considered taboo, and others are not. EA knows this.

    I don't make the rules of society, so there's no need to pull attitude with me over it.


    How in the world was I pulling an attitude? I was letting you know that one Sim is perfectly able to hit another Sim and it's far from pushing the limits of ratings. Have you ever done it? Push two Sims to anger and you'll get the option to fight. What you see is a cartoon like dust cloud. It's far from taboo or ominous.

    The T rating allows for violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.

    Two sims in a dust cloud is not the same as a real abusive relationship which is what the OP wants to be able to simulate. That's what I was referring to being a taboo subject.

    You might not like what the OP is doing but it's not a taboo subject.

    This is what the OP wrote.

    "So I have a storyline with an abusive husband that berates and degrades his wife constantly...the other day they ended up getting in a fist fight. The strangest think happened afterwards. He "won" the fight, she then shook her head a little and giggled and they proceeded to have a long happy conversation afterward. I really wish the emotions in this game were more realistic. "

    The (unmodded) game allows one Sim to talk to another that way. Also please show me where the OP indicated that "the fight" was other than what the game allows.

    I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

    Agree to disagree that the game requires mods to do this? That is what the started the discussion.

    You continue to miss my point entirely, so I'm dropping the conversation all together. I'm really not looking for a fight.

    I'm not looking for a fight either. I thought we were having a discussion. Maybe you could tell me what point I'm missing.

    "People really love to explore 'failure states. In fact, the failure states are really much more interesting than the success states." ~ Will Wright
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    ModerateOspreyModerateOsprey Posts: 4,875 Member
    I believe the inability to create that dark type of atmosphere without mods is intentional for the games rating.

    However, I do agree with those in here who wish their sims had some form of memory... reputation, etc.

    What dark atmosphere?

    Physically abusive relationships.

    You do realize that TS4 has a way to go without worrying about the rating right? The same company that made TS4 made The Sims Medieval and it has the same rating...T for teen. Medieval contains murder, duel to the death, death by poison, execution, by magic spell and illness. Technically you could say it contains suicide because a Sim can jump into the pit to be killed by the pit monster.

    The ability to go further has only been hampered by the developers not the ESRB.

    Some subjects are considered taboo, and others are not. EA knows this.

    I don't make the rules of society, so there's no need to pull attitude with me over it.


    How in the world was I pulling an attitude? I was letting you know that one Sim is perfectly able to hit another Sim and it's far from pushing the limits of ratings. Have you ever done it? Push two Sims to anger and you'll get the option to fight. What you see is a cartoon like dust cloud. It's far from taboo or ominous.

    The T rating allows for violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.

    Two sims in a dust cloud is not the same as a real abusive relationship which is what the OP wants to be able to simulate. That's what I was referring to being a taboo subject.

    You might not like what the OP is doing but it's not a taboo subject.

    This is what the OP wrote.

    "So I have a storyline with an abusive husband that berates and degrades his wife constantly...the other day they ended up getting in a fist fight. The strangest think happened afterwards. He "won" the fight, she then shook her head a little and giggled and they proceeded to have a long happy conversation afterward. I really wish the emotions in this game were more realistic. "

    The (unmodded) game allows one Sim to talk to another that way. Also please show me where the OP indicated that "the fight" was other than what the game allows.

    I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

    Agree to disagree that the game requires mods to do this? That is what the started the discussion.

    You continue to miss my point entirely, so I'm dropping the conversation all together. I'm really not looking for a fight.

    I'm not looking for a fight either. I thought we were having a discussion. Maybe you could tell me what point I'm missing.

    It could be seen as ominous in that: Is she is all happy and chatty, because she was in fear of another beating which seems realistic enough to me. Dark stuff.





    Awake.
    Shake dreams from your hair
    My pretty child, my sweet one.
    Choose the day and choose the sign of your day
    The day's divinity....
    The Ghost Song - Jim Morrison
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    PHOEBESMOM601PHOEBESMOM601 Posts: 14,595 Member
    I believe the inability to create that dark type of atmosphere without mods is intentional for the games rating.

    However, I do agree with those in here who wish their sims had some form of memory... reputation, etc.

    What dark atmosphere?

    Physically abusive relationships.

    You do realize that TS4 has a way to go without worrying about the rating right? The same company that made TS4 made The Sims Medieval and it has the same rating...T for teen. Medieval contains murder, duel to the death, death by poison, execution, by magic spell and illness. Technically you could say it contains suicide because a Sim can jump into the pit to be killed by the pit monster.

    The ability to go further has only been hampered by the developers not the ESRB.

    Some subjects are considered taboo, and others are not. EA knows this.

    I don't make the rules of society, so there's no need to pull attitude with me over it.


    How in the world was I pulling an attitude? I was letting you know that one Sim is perfectly able to hit another Sim and it's far from pushing the limits of ratings. Have you ever done it? Push two Sims to anger and you'll get the option to fight. What you see is a cartoon like dust cloud. It's far from taboo or ominous.

    The T rating allows for violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.

    Two sims in a dust cloud is not the same as a real abusive relationship which is what the OP wants to be able to simulate. That's what I was referring to being a taboo subject.

    You might not like what the OP is doing but it's not a taboo subject.

    This is what the OP wrote.

    "So I have a storyline with an abusive husband that berates and degrades his wife constantly...the other day they ended up getting in a fist fight. The strangest think happened afterwards. He "won" the fight, she then shook her head a little and giggled and they proceeded to have a long happy conversation afterward. I really wish the emotions in this game were more realistic. "

    The (unmodded) game allows one Sim to talk to another that way. Also please show me where the OP indicated that "the fight" was other than what the game allows.

    I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

    Agree to disagree that the game requires mods to do this? That is what the started the discussion.

    You continue to miss my point entirely, so I'm dropping the conversation all together. I'm really not looking for a fight.

    I'm not looking for a fight either. I thought we were having a discussion. Maybe you could tell me what point I'm missing.

    It could be seen as ominous in that: Is she is all happy and chatty, because she was in fear of another beating which seems realistic enough to me. Dark stuff.





    I'm just saying that it's all built into the game. In fact I opened the game and purposely tried to get two Sims into a fight. There are numerous insults and various options to get into it. There are things like "rile up" or "throw drink in face".There are even some extras thrown in like "criticize woo hoo performance" which I would think could send a Sim off the deep end.

    One you've pushed all the buttons you get a "fight" option and you see this. Nothing dark and ominous.


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