It's EA's responsibility they gave a bad experience to many of those customers who bought the game and can't enjoy it or return it. The real test comes with every EP, SP and GP, how well are they selling after months of silence, hideous bugs like the incest collection of bugs and the continued missing content being glossed over.
No one needs to apologise to EA. EA needs to apologise for the way it has handled TS4 and those who were stuck with a game that they hid behind a review embargo which cut far deeper than the obvious features!
Believe me, by end of the year every EP of the Sims 4 will be in that top 10 chart. I'm not saying this because I'm defending EA or anything. The main reason is that players have no alternatives. There is only one Sims game and it is owned by EA. there is no substitute.
The Sims 4 being at No.1 is fans apology. EA too already acknowledged their mistake and they are doing what it takes to correct it by offering more contents. They are apologizing too.
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Another thing that EA is considering is not to 🐸🐸🐸🐸 off those fans who still didnt buy the game. They dont want to brush their success on their faces, they just want them to give in which will they do eventually by offering the most wanted features that were missed or long time requested.
Those fans will also apologize to EA sooner than later. EA is very much determined to get their money.
Oh, do you have some kind of insider information into how EA is "feeling" then? Or what their motivations are? Please do share.
If not, then it's clearly just your opinion that you seem to be trying to pass off as fact.
Fans don't need to apologise to EA. Definitely not for the shabby way they're often treated and the half-cut games that are pushed out for them at exorbitant prices.
All these things that are "missing", that were present in past base games should have been included initially. Not as some offering to make fans "give in".
People have said it before and it bears repeating - No one should have to pay for potential.
Where did I say that fans need to apologize to EA? I said fans already apologized to EA.
The remaining minority will give in soon too.
Then who makes sense? The game is a hit and you want to imply the majority did not buy it? Its at No.1 which means the most selling pc game of 2014! What does that mean?
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The following info is from the ESA Infographic Sheet.
I find the age breakdown very interesting.
Age of game players:
26% UNDER 18 YEARS
27% 50+ YEARS
30% 18-35 YEARS
17% 36-49 YEARS
“I was so sure that I knew what they needed and what I wanted to sell them that I never stopped long enough to find out what it was they wanted to buy.”
― Chris Murray, The Extremely Successful Salesman's Club
I personally don't know how they arrive at some of those statistics, especially since it seems that anyone over 35 usually gets the "thanks but no thanks" on EA's surveys, once they fill in the age section.
Lol first we go from it being a top seller for 2014 to it being a hit to it being number 1. Far stretching things for real. Than fans will apologize. For what Ea leaving out content. Don't think so. Most the stuff fans want sims 4 is never going to offer so good luck with that whole the majority of fans that left coming back and apologizing.
I didn't know consumers needed to be sorry for not giving ea their money lol.
Then who makes sense? The game is a hit and you want to imply the majority did not buy it? Its at No.1 which means the most selling pc game of 2014! What does that mean?
Top selling doesn't show the games that were returned in the Great games 24 hr period nor those of us who couldn't return the game (disc) and don't play it. Just because it sold doesn't mean everyone who bought it liked it and are still playing it. Those are the figures nobody has!!!
PS It doesn't make a very good coaster (hole in the center leaks) but flies great!! Reflects the sunlight when you twirl the disc outside!
I personally don't know how they arrive at some of those statistics, especially since it seems that anyone over 35 usually gets the "thanks but no thanks" on EA's surveys, once they fill in the age section.
They probably still keep track of that info even if you're not allowed to complete the survey.
All the survey's I've been sent by EA start out with the "Your Age" section. Once I fill in my age, without fail, every time, I get the "thanks for participating" message, even though I've not even filled anything out, and then the survey ends.
There's no info to keep track of, if that's their standard MO, only the - "wow, you're over 35? 🐸🐸🐸🐸 you can't play games or take this survey!" report.
All the survey's I've been sent by EA start out with the "Your Age" section. Once I fill in my age, without fail, every time, I get the "thanks for participating" message, even though I've not even filled anything out, and then the survey ends.
There's no info to keep track of, if that's their standard MO, only the - "wow, you're over 35? 🐸🐸🐸🐸 you can't play games or take this survey!" report.
Same here! Except I haven't received another survey since I put my age in the first one.
I guess people over 50 shouldn't play games nor answer surveys either!!
PS You are welcome EA for the thousands of dollars I have spent on your games in the past, BUT you wont be getting anymore from me in the future!! Being over 50 I do know when I am not wanted as a customer and have no problem of giving my money to another company who wants it and treats me better.
But it still has the Sims 4 as the best selling computer game in 2014.
What makes this report more convincing for me than other earlier reports is that it doesn't just compare sales in physical stores. It also counts digital downloads. You should read the whole report.
All the survey's I've been sent by EA start out with the "Your Age" section. Once I fill in my age, without fail, every time, I get the "thanks for participating" message, even though I've not even filled anything out, and then the survey ends.
There's no info to keep track of, if that's their standard MO, only the - "wow, you're over 35? 🐸🐸🐸🐸 you can't play games or take this survey!" report.
Same here! Except I haven't received another survey since I put my age in the first one.
I guess people over 50 shouldn't play games nor answer surveys either!!
PS You are welcome EA for the thousands of dollars I have spent on your games in the past, BUT you wont be getting anymore from me in the future!! Being over 50 I do know when I am not wanted as a customer and have no problem of giving my money to another company who wants it and treats me better.
I agree with you and Pary, Terrylin. I remember when I first got into SimCity - I actually received a nice card from Maxis thanking me for buying their game. Now, we don't even rate a comment in their surveys. I guess my first clue should have been when the Sims first aged from Adult to Elder - that sort of tells the story of how they view anyone close to middle age and above - lol
As for the stats - I have seen other stats showing the top 15 selling PC games worldwide as of February 2015. The Sims is in #1 spot, The Sims 3 is in #4 spot, and The Sims: Unleashed is in #12 spot. It's hard to believe The Sims 2 isn't on the list at all - if I recall, #15 place sold 3.6 units so that would mean that The Sims 2 sold less than that worldwide - and so has The Sims 4. That definitely surprised me as I know a lot of people bought it right off the hop to determine for themselves what direction the game might be headed. I really expected that there were more of us worldwide -
Okay, I'm confused about a few things.... Skyrim is cross-platform (a friend has it on console), so that means JUST the PC/Mac sales of Skyrim made it pretty high on the list. So, were there no console sales for it last year? And did Sims 4 beat out the PC/Mac sales of games on the Video Game list (like COD or Watchdogs) or did anything on that list just get ignored for Computer Game part?
It's questions like these that make statistics like those iffy to me. That, plus the fact that digital sales aren't tracked (which means my purchase of the Sims 4 isn't on that list.. nor any game I've bought in the last decade or so since I stopped buying hardcopies because digital downloads are more convenient).
This is akin to just tracking movie ticket sales for premieres in Hollywood to determine if a movie is a success or not...
They mentioned the get to school mod at the end which I found interesting. I don't know anything about this company, just found the article interesting.
It says we all owe EA an apology. Well, I'm one of those buyers and I'm certainly not going to apologize.
If anyone owes an apology, EA/Franklin/Bradshaw owes us, the fans, an apology. They're the ones that screwed up, not us.
That's what I meant
Just clarifying for you.
Ok lol, I thought I hadn't made myself quite clear.
Today we saw The sims 4 at No.1 by end of the year we might see The Sims 4 and its EPs dominating the top 10 or 5 charts. The game is a huge success. EA is happy for sure.
Today we saw The sims 4 at No.1 by end of the year we might see The Sims 4 and its EPs dominating the top 10 or 5 charts. The game is a huge success. EA is happy for sure.
Really? They're sure not acting like it. Everyone (and I use that loosely) seems to be calling TS4 a success except EA
Another thing that EA is considering is not to 🐸🐸🐸🐸 off those fans who still didnt buy the game. They dont want to brush their success on their faces, they just want them to give in which will they do eventually by offering the most wanted features that were missed or long time requested.
Those fans will also apologize to EA sooner than later. EA is very much determined to get their money.
What? Why would customers have to or even think they should apologize to EA for their lack luster game? I'm flabbergasted to even read that... O.O
I'm still waiting for them to apologize to their customers.
Misjudgment will lead to apology.
EA misjudged its customers and they apologized already and will continue to do so by offering even more content than previous games. Customers also misjudged EA's product thinking because what was missing the game will not be enjoyable and those missing contents might never be there again. Eventually they will. At least the majority.
Many customers already apologized by buying the Sims 4 and making it the No.1 selling PC game of 2014.
I bought Sims 4 on the day of release. Little did I know I was apologizing while doing so lol
Today we saw The sims 4 at No.1 by end of the year we might see The Sims 4 and its EPs dominating the top 10 or 5 charts. The game is a huge success. EA is happy for sure.
Really? They're sure not acting like it. Everyone (and I use that loosely) seems to be calling TS4 a success except EA
Another thing that EA is considering is not to 🐸🐸🐸🐸 off those fans who still didnt buy the game. They dont want to brush their success on their faces, they just want them to give in which will they do eventually by offering the most wanted features that were missed or long time requested.
Those fans will also apologize to EA sooner than later. EA is very much determined to get their money.
What? Why would customers have to or even think they should apologize to EA for their lack luster game? I'm flabbergasted to even read that... O.O
I'm still waiting for them to apologize to their customers.
Misjudgment will lead to apology.
EA misjudged its customers and they apologized already and will continue to do so by offering even more content than previous games. Customers also misjudged EA's product thinking because what was missing the game will not be enjoyable and those missing contents might never be there again. Eventually they will. At least the majority.
Many customers already apologized by buying the Sims 4 and making it the No.1 selling PC game of 2014.
I bought Sims 4 on the day of release. Little did I know I was apologizing while doing so lol
So now WE're supposed to apologize to EA for their mistakes?! What a joke.
Today we saw The sims 4 at No.1 by end of the year we might see The Sims 4 and its EPs dominating the top 10 or 5 charts. The game is a huge success. EA is happy for sure.
Really? They're sure not acting like it. Everyone (and I use that loosely) seems to be calling TS4 a success except EA
Another thing that EA is considering is not to 🐸🐸🐸🐸 off those fans who still didnt buy the game. They dont want to brush their success on their faces, they just want them to give in which will they do eventually by offering the most wanted features that were missed or long time requested.
Those fans will also apologize to EA sooner than later. EA is very much determined to get their money.
What? Why would customers have to or even think they should apologize to EA for their lack luster game? I'm flabbergasted to even read that... O.O
I'm still waiting for them to apologize to their customers.
Misjudgment will lead to apology.
EA misjudged its customers and they apologized already and will continue to do so by offering even more content than previous games. Customers also misjudged EA's product thinking because what was missing the game will not be enjoyable and those missing contents might never be there again. Eventually they will. At least the majority.
Many customers already apologized by buying the Sims 4 and making it the No.1 selling PC game of 2014.
I bought Sims 4 on the day of release. Little did I know I was apologizing while doing so lol
So now WE're supposed to apologize to EA for their mistakes?! What a joke.
Then who makes sense? The game is a hit and you want to imply the majority did not buy it? Its at No.1 which means the most selling pc game of 2014! What does that mean?
Top selling doesn't show the games that were returned in the Great games 24 hr period nor those of us who couldn't return the game (disc) and don't play it. Just because it sold doesn't mean everyone who bought it liked it and are still playing it. Those are the figures nobody has!!!
PS It doesn't make a very good coaster (hole in the center leaks) but flies great!! Reflects the sunlight when you twirl the disc outside!
Lets not make assumptions here. Those who assumed that the game will not sell are still living in denial. They are thinking day and night why the game that they never played or played for a day or less and did not like is selling so well and being No.1!
So take the facts for now and leave the assumptions. The fact is this game like all the previous sims games a hit for EA. Now who returned back the game and how many units were returned these are assumptions that nobody have any statistics for.
Just celebrate the huge success of the Sims 4 for now
Everything I post is an opinion here and I think every post of others is as well.
Today we saw The sims 4 at No.1 by end of the year we might see The Sims 4 and its EPs dominating the top 10 or 5 charts. The game is a huge success. EA is happy for sure.
We might. But then again, we might not.
I'm confident we will. Again that does not mean because of the good quality etc. But because the game is the only sim game and as a player you will always want to expand it to make it bigger and better.
Everything I post is an opinion here and I think every post of others is as well.
Today we saw The sims 4 at No.1 by end of the year we might see The Sims 4 and its EPs dominating the top 10 or 5 charts. The game is a huge success. EA is happy for sure.
Really? They're sure not acting like it. Everyone (and I use that loosely) seems to be calling TS4 a success except EA
Another thing that EA is considering is not to 🐸🐸🐸🐸 off those fans who still didnt buy the game. They dont want to brush their success on their faces, they just want them to give in which will they do eventually by offering the most wanted features that were missed or long time requested.
Those fans will also apologize to EA sooner than later. EA is very much determined to get their money.
What? Why would customers have to or even think they should apologize to EA for their lack luster game? I'm flabbergasted to even read that... O.O
I'm still waiting for them to apologize to their customers.
Misjudgment will lead to apology.
EA misjudged its customers and they apologized already and will continue to do so by offering even more content than previous games. Customers also misjudged EA's product thinking because what was missing the game will not be enjoyable and those missing contents might never be there again. Eventually they will. At least the majority.
Many customers already apologized by buying the Sims 4 and making it the No.1 selling PC game of 2014.
I bought Sims 4 on the day of release. Little did I know I was apologizing while doing so lol
ha ha ha
Not necessarily. Those who bought on the day of release they had faith in EA. Like me and you
There are many other players who bought after the ghost addition and others after the pools addition.
It is apology from both sides. It is more a kind of a make up.
But if you insist on it, then yea, you apologized too
Everything I post is an opinion here and I think every post of others is as well.
I would really like to see actual sales numbers. Not that I don't believe it I just would like hard numbers.
Not that it is actual Sims 4 numbers, but for comparison, World of Warcraft Warlords of Draenor sold 3.3 Million copies just on day one of it's release last fall and bumped up the subscriptions for WoW up to 10 million. As you may know, World of Warcraft Expansions are in a way mandatory to continue to play the game, so those subscription numbers may, or may not tell you something as well.
I would really like to see actual sales numbers. Not that I don't believe it I just would like hard numbers.
Not that it is actual Sims 4 numbers, but for comparison, World of Warcraft Warlords of Draenor sold 3.3 Million copies just on day one of it's release last fall and bumped up the subscriptions for WoW up to 10 million. As you may know, World of Warcraft Expansions are in a way mandatory to continue to play the game, so those subscription numbers may, or may not tell you something as well.
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Well as far as I've heard, they lost a lot if people in the long run. I had bought it, played for a month, couldn't stand it anymore
I would really like to see actual sales numbers. Not that I don't believe it I just would like hard numbers.
Not that it is actual Sims 4 numbers, but for comparison, World of Warcraft Warlords of Draenor sold 3.3 Million copies just on day one of it's release last fall and bumped up the subscriptions for WoW up to 10 million. As you may know, World of Warcraft Expansions are in a way mandatory to continue to play the game, so those subscription numbers may, or may not tell you something as well.
The list does not count digital sales and that 3.3 million number you listed right there is evidence. According to that list, 3.3 mil+ would've bought ESO and Sims 3: Starter Pack and that is downright false. ESO never reached those numbers in 2014 775,000 subscribers
The most ESO would've reached was in the 1 mil range
Also that many people bought the Sims 3 starter pack? I'm pretty sure EA would be blowing trumpets and letting the world know both Sims 3 and Sims 4 made over 3.3 mil in sales for 2014.
No, that list only counted physical sales which makes a lot more sense.
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Believe me, by end of the year every EP of the Sims 4 will be in that top 10 chart. I'm not saying this because I'm defending EA or anything. The main reason is that players have no alternatives. There is only one Sims game and it is owned by EA. there is no substitute.
The Sims 4 being at No.1 is fans apology. EA too already acknowledged their mistake and they are doing what it takes to correct it by offering more contents. They are apologizing too.
Agreed.
I find the age breakdown very interesting.
Age of game players:
26% UNDER 18 YEARS
27% 50+ YEARS
30% 18-35 YEARS
17% 36-49 YEARS
― Chris Murray, The Extremely Successful Salesman's Club
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I didn't know consumers needed to be sorry for not giving ea their money lol.
Top selling doesn't show the games that were returned in the Great games 24 hr period nor those of us who couldn't return the game (disc) and don't play it. Just because it sold doesn't mean everyone who bought it liked it and are still playing it. Those are the figures nobody has!!!
PS It doesn't make a very good coaster (hole in the center leaks) but flies great!! Reflects the sunlight when you twirl the disc outside!
They probably still keep track of that info even if you're not allowed to complete the survey.
There's no info to keep track of, if that's their standard MO, only the - "wow, you're over 35? 🐸🐸🐸🐸 you can't play games or take this survey!" report.
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Same here! Except I haven't received another survey since I put my age in the first one.
I guess people over 50 shouldn't play games nor answer surveys either!!
PS You are welcome EA for the thousands of dollars I have spent on your games in the past, BUT you wont be getting anymore from me in the future!! Being over 50 I do know when I am not wanted as a customer and have no problem of giving my money to another company who wants it and treats me better.
But it still has the Sims 4 as the best selling computer game in 2014.
What makes this report more convincing for me than other earlier reports is that it doesn't just compare sales in physical stores. It also counts digital downloads. You should read the whole report.
I agree with you and Pary, Terrylin. I remember when I first got into SimCity - I actually received a nice card from Maxis thanking me for buying their game. Now, we don't even rate a comment in their surveys. I guess my first clue should have been when the Sims first aged from Adult to Elder - that sort of tells the story of how they view anyone close to middle age and above - lol
As for the stats - I have seen other stats showing the top 15 selling PC games worldwide as of February 2015. The Sims is in #1 spot, The Sims 3 is in #4 spot, and The Sims: Unleashed is in #12 spot. It's hard to believe The Sims 2 isn't on the list at all - if I recall, #15 place sold 3.6 units so that would mean that The Sims 2 sold less than that worldwide - and so has The Sims 4. That definitely surprised me as I know a lot of people bought it right off the hop to determine for themselves what direction the game might be headed. I really expected that there were more of us worldwide -
Edited to add source of statistics I quoted: http://www.statista.com/statistics/275226/best-selling-pc-games-of-all-time-worldwide/
It's questions like these that make statistics like those iffy to me. That, plus the fact that digital sales aren't tracked (which means my purchase of the Sims 4 isn't on that list.. nor any game I've bought in the last decade or so since I stopped buying hardcopies because digital downloads are more convenient).
This is akin to just tracking movie ticket sales for premieres in Hollywood to determine if a movie is a success or not...
Lets not make assumptions here. Those who assumed that the game will not sell are still living in denial. They are thinking day and night why the game that they never played or played for a day or less and did not like is selling so well and being No.1!
So take the facts for now and leave the assumptions. The fact is this game like all the previous sims games a hit for EA. Now who returned back the game and how many units were returned these are assumptions that nobody have any statistics for.
Just celebrate the huge success of the Sims 4 for now
I'm confident we will. Again that does not mean because of the good quality etc. But because the game is the only sim game and as a player you will always want to expand it to make it bigger and better.
ha ha ha
Not necessarily. Those who bought on the day of release they had faith in EA. Like me and you
There are many other players who bought after the ghost addition and others after the pools addition.
It is apology from both sides. It is more a kind of a make up.
But if you insist on it, then yea, you apologized too
Not that it is actual Sims 4 numbers, but for comparison, World of Warcraft Warlords of Draenor sold 3.3 Million copies just on day one of it's release last fall and bumped up the subscriptions for WoW up to 10 million. As you may know, World of Warcraft Expansions are in a way mandatory to continue to play the game, so those subscription numbers may, or may not tell you something as well.
Well as far as I've heard, they lost a lot if people in the long run. I had bought it, played for a month, couldn't stand it anymore
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The list does not count digital sales and that 3.3 million number you listed right there is evidence. According to that list, 3.3 mil+ would've bought ESO and Sims 3: Starter Pack and that is downright false. ESO never reached those numbers in 2014
775,000 subscribers
The most ESO would've reached was in the 1 mil range
Also that many people bought the Sims 3 starter pack? I'm pretty sure EA would be blowing trumpets and letting the world know both Sims 3 and Sims 4 made over 3.3 mil in sales for 2014.
No, that list only counted physical sales which makes a lot more sense.