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Why doesn't Maxis just add features that mods offer the players? That way some people wouldn't need mods to make their game more enjoyable, I mean mods are really meant to add something new to the gameplay, I don't feel like there should be mods for a game to improve things like eating speed, that's something that should be improved by the developers in my opinion. I downloaded lots of mods for The Sims 3 and have downloaded quite a few for The Sims 4, all of which are mods that improve the gameplay.
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- engine can't handle it
- #WeirderStories
- not tactile and intuitive
- not part of their "vision"
Pick one.
> - too hard, too expensive
> - engine can't handle it
> - #WeirderStories
> - not tactile and intuitive
> - not part of their "vision"
>
> Pick one.
People who probably have less experience than Maxis have made mods for free - no excuse.
The engine can handle it - proven.
I like weird stories but they're limiting weirdness by letting modders fix the errors of the game.
Words.
I don't their visions are the same as the buyer's then...
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The mod may provide faster eating times but it comes at a cost, less multi-tasking. It's basically a bunch of coding Jargan that involves the fact that sims try to decide which is more relevant,talking or eating. The mod prevented them from talking as much which made it feel less alive, at the cost of faster eating. They didn't actually improve a bug. They recently let out an official patch improving eating times anyway though. Mods are made by the community so we can mix and match certain features.
Example there are a few mods that get rid of needs etc. In a normal game it'd be no fun.
It's funny though that @Wasting_Night makes fun of sims 4 on that subject when sims 3 couldn't even run well without Twallan's mods.
It's one thing to enjoy modding to your content to be happy, it's another when you NEED them to be able to even play.
When you get certain mods that hit a fever pitch and fans raise it to the developers, you may see some of that get baked into the base game code. WoW did this a fair amount with mods that greatly adjusted/helped with certain aspects of the games. But by and large, mods are optional code changes made by independent people who don't have to worry about deadlines or even worrying about "If we put this mod in the game, is this gonna cause trouble?" train of thinking.
You may feel like the developers are "lazy" for failing to cook up some of the things the mod community does, but again - mod developers are free to do it on their own time as they please. A developer under a gaming company budget does what they are directed to do and if they're in a crunch or being expected to output large amounts of development related code, tackling some of the small things we'd like to see can only come in their personal time, which I suspect for many of them is NOT spent staring at more lines of code.
Edit: Note I'm not dismissing/excusing some of the glaring problems Maxis and other companies have left for modders to fix, but it's never a matter of "Why are they so lazy" as much as "What can and can't they do" during their development. It's why allowing mods is such a boon to games when possible because you empower your gaming audience to get creative on their own.
You are right, Crackseed, mods are optional. Mods should add new options to a game, for everyone to use them at their own risk. But for TS4 I'm under the impression that a great deal of the mods that are presented by the modding community are not made to add new options, but to repair the may new bugs that every new patch has introduced to the game. I'm usually very careful with mods, since I do not always understand fully how to use them, but even I use mods in TS4. I wish I had downloaded the "no culling" mod in time. The game culled my entire town last night. And I can't blame mods, since I got them out of my game before I patched.
As I understand, even CC has broken games after the last patch, although this iteration was designed to make it easier to add CC to the game.... So, so far I'm not very impressed by what the gaming company has given me. I start to confide more and more in the modding community to keep my game playable, in their free time and without being paid.
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I hate having to rely on mods for things.... they say they don't have time to do stuff but they don't even seem to do that much when they do something, they take shortcuts and shortcuts to do anything....and the whole engine excuse I don't buy it, TS2 engine had less tech so to speak and look where they were able to take the game... for me this seems more like "we are too lazy" or "we don't want to have to work"...
Someone like nraas who had the capability of creating amazing mods - I'm never going to expect them to create something awesome as that.
I would cry tears of joy if by some miracle nraas decided to come back for sims 4 lol
I can only pick one? Seems like they're using all but the last one, which I suspect is really the real reason.
Oh you silly, OP
If there were modders who can finally grant miracles for this flop game, I'd ask them to make the following:
I would be willing to pay more than the game prices for corresponding Twallan mods. And I am one who stays away from mods usually as I don't understand programming and don't have the ability to see if I can trust a mod to not mess with the game, so I only trusts the devs. Until TS3 where I ended up not trusting EA, but knew I could trust Twallan to fix the messes they made
You do know its the SAME people who made Sims3...that you mention was a coding nightmare...
are the SAME people who made Sims4...right?
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Now, the new patch reduced idle time for eating a bit, but part of the question when it comes to mods like this, that are ultimately worked into the base game, is 'Does this further the enjoyment for a vast majority of the player-base?' I for one was generally fine with cancelling other activities to speed up meals when I needed too, and shorter meal times may not be an improvement in game-play.
Another example is in Jimil's post above. The first two issues are things he would like to see changed, and if a mod was available, I am sure he would use it. However, those are both things that are fairly central to my experience in the Sims 4. I like the emotions and the walk styles in the game, so I would not want it worked into the main game. Do the developers take the emotions out if a mod does so, or do they just leave it up to the player to run a mod changing the base game? I prefer the latter.
In short, I use a number of mods on my own game in order to improve my experience, but I would not necessarily want them worked into the base game.
This has always been a struggle for Maxis.
Sims 3 was much the same, if not worse as I understand that many of the issues I grumbled about for the entirety of the game's cycle were fixed by independent modders, not the developers.
I truly hope Sims 4 will improve on that, but - far too early to call.
Regardless, modders are a desperately needed part of the game's life these days IMO. So much they can and will do that the developers simply cannot/will not.
Teen pregnancy or censorship removal, for instance...
I have a mod that makes skills 4X faster because I'm lazy when it comes to skilling. But most people would probably not enjoy that a couple of days of cooking for your family helps you max out BOTH cooking skills.
Bug fixes however should be handled by the developers, but the majority of the time modders can get a bug fixed a lot faster than EA can. Simply because of how easy it is to share content online, whereas EA generally only releases one patch per month.
I honestly can't think of a mod that everyone would want to be added into the game though.
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If you want mods - i suggest maybe at the end of a game being produced when no more patches are coming out is a good time to add the ones you want seeing as long as no more patches come out - the mod usually won't break any more and create other issues.
As long as there have been games their have been modders creating thing - play style and changes to all kinds of games - it is not just a EA or Maxis game - but what it comes down to - is a mod that changes game play is just that - and usually only something certain people like in that particular game. We do not have the right to force mods on everybody just because you think something is great - not everyone will agree. I cringe when players say things like adding mods every one likes - when often i do not like that change in the game at all. The most a player can truthfully say is " a mod I like - not everybody". Speak for yourself. Also making a point of it being free - means squat. That mod could not exist if not for the fact the game exists - so if you make a mod and share it - is great, but always expect it to be free seeing the modder did not make the game just revamped how one part of the game was actually made.
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I believe that family and friends being culled is due to a bug, and the no cull mod doesn't actually fix the bug. I can also see no culling being an issue for simmers that have lower-end computers which is probably why EA is hesitant to remove it.
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