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Smoking Pipe - NOT TOBACCO
Nodak
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NOT TOBACCO -
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Nodak
I understand EA wants to avoid having smoking in their game, but we have juice bars, so if there is a Sims version of alcohol, then can we please get some smoking pipes and a plant that you can put in your garden that gives you special seeds/leaves to smoke. I understand it can't be tobacco, so it should be the same thing as in bubble bars - only now it can be cultivated.
And PLEASE make it so the Sim can walk around doing things with the pipe in their hand or mouth. Reading while smoking, writing while smoking, watching a movie while smoking, talking at the dinner table while smoking, sitting outside underneath a roof overhang while it rains on an afternoon while smoking, etc...
Derive it from something in real life, for example;
Tea leaves - ESPECIALLY now that there is a tea set coming
Or use things already in the game, for example;
Bubbles - derived from a new bubble weed/leaf. Instead of blowing smoke, blow bubbles
Wolfsbane - just because it sounds cool
Flower plants, for example Chamomile, Bumbleleaf, etc..
I so badly want my Sims to be go Tolkien and do this;
Or deduce something truly fascinating like so;
And marvel all the eager young minds of tomorrow about how I went to the future;
But at the end of the day, just sit my bookworm Sim back and ponder;
And please don't badger me about the health effects, this isn't real-life smoking we're talking about. Otherwise I'll unleash the pipe-smoking badger on you.
And to close - this is what I'll be doing with your replies;
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Nodak
I understand EA wants to avoid having smoking in their game, but we have juice bars, so if there is a Sims version of alcohol, then can we please get some smoking pipes and a plant that you can put in your garden that gives you special seeds/leaves to smoke. I understand it can't be tobacco, so it should be the same thing as in bubble bars - only now it can be cultivated.
And PLEASE make it so the Sim can walk around doing things with the pipe in their hand or mouth. Reading while smoking, writing while smoking, watching a movie while smoking, talking at the dinner table while smoking, sitting outside underneath a roof overhang while it rains on an afternoon while smoking, etc...
Derive it from something in real life, for example;
Tea leaves - ESPECIALLY now that there is a tea set coming
Or use things already in the game, for example;
Bubbles - derived from a new bubble weed/leaf. Instead of blowing smoke, blow bubbles
Wolfsbane - just because it sounds cool
Flower plants, for example Chamomile, Bumbleleaf, etc..
I so badly want my Sims to be go Tolkien and do this;
Or deduce something truly fascinating like so;
And marvel all the eager young minds of tomorrow about how I went to the future;
But at the end of the day, just sit my bookworm Sim back and ponder;
And please don't badger me about the health effects, this isn't real-life smoking we're talking about. Otherwise I'll unleash the pipe-smoking badger on you.
And to close - this is what I'll be doing with your replies;
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No wishlist for me!
Has there been an official statement on this already?
Probably not an official statement, but an outright reference to smoking (no matter what it is that is being "smoked") just isn't likely to happen, as this is rated for teens.
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Right - but then the bubble bar, nectar, and woohoo shouldn't be in the game.
Bubble bar is a direct reference to hookah, which uses tobacco
Nectar is used to create Sims version of wine
and we all know what woohoo does
and then of course, gambling - which has as many, if not more legal background than smoking.
I'm not talking about cartons of cigarettes that must be peddled to children. I'm talking about something as engraved in human society as the references of bubble bar, nectar, and woohoo. Tea leaves are not tobacco, and that is smoked in real life.
^This. You could say they're smoking fairy unicorn farts and EA would never ever do it, in my opinion. Anything that looks like it's promoting pretend tobacco use to teens would get them in such deep water there's just no way. The hookah is as close as you will get.
No wishlist for me!
But it's still a hookah reference. I don't understand a world where sex, sugar, and sadism is preferable to pretend tobacco...
Wait... where's there sadism? I don't want you to think we're ganging up on you, or that WE think it's a bad idea, personally, it's just that from the point of view of EA games, we believe they'd see it as promoting, rather than hinting at, smoking itself. The keg HINTS at guzzling beer while not actually BEING beer. Smoking a pipe is... well... smoking a pipe, no matter what type of leaf you would put in it (in real life) it puts out smoke containing harmful chemicals. There's really no way to put that in the game while simply HINTING at smoking and not ACTUALLY smoking... if this makes any sense.
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It's okay torment a Sim in a plethora of ways, even to death, either as a player or by other Sims, and it's okay to have dead babies and kids in the game caused by either the player, the game, or other Sims, but not a smoking pipe that doesn't use tobacco?
Sadism is:
the tendency to derive pleasure, especially sexual gratification, from inflicting pain, suffering, or humiliation on others.
•(in general use) deliberate cruelty
While it can be generally described as deliberate cruelty, the game does not give you actual tools to torture or kill your sims with. You manually or intentionally allow their needs to run out, or for them to get electrocuted, drown, or what have you.
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Yes? You're adding on to my original statement or contesting it? There is sadism in the game. Sims even laugh at causing devastation to other Sims. And Sims do die by the action of either the player or other Sims.
I apologize. Please refer to my edited version of that post.
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Pyromaniacs can set fires
Mummies can curse you
Ghosts can scare you to death
Sharks can eat you
There are still many ways to torture Sims - magic, foods, fights, pranks, etc...
Let me add here, I hate not being able to turn off zombies without turning off other cool parts of Supernatural.
I was not aware of the Pyromaniac trait as it is a hidden one and I never use the firefighter career track. The other ones don't encourage specific bad habits. I cannot explain the gambling thing except to say that no one gets hurt there. Your sims may go broke, but no one gets hurt.
All arguments aside, they will not do it. I can almost guarantee you that. You are welcome to ask a SimGuru though. I've tried to explain why they most likely won't, and I can explain no more. Smoking is a deadly and bad habit and they won't include it in a game for teens.
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Whether or not someone gets hurt is clearly a matter of perspective. Gambling is very closely tied to criminal organizations and often has severe outcomes. It's also why it's largely illegal in many areas. Yes, people do get hurt gambling, even physically, but especially mentally.
This is my point. If you can blow bubbles with a hookah pipe, then you can blow bubbles with a classic pipe. Gambling is also a bad habit, as is hoarding, polluting, crime, etc... the list is lengthy, even in Sims 3. Obesity is funny in Sims 3, not in real life. Yet no biggie that you can sugar-load non-stop in Sims, but mention a bubble pipe and immediately get equated with death and mature content...
I just don't understand why it's a big deal that someone is willing to buy a bubble pipe when a bubble hookah is already in the game. Shame on me for wanting some content that I will pay for myself.
I'm sorry for being upset - I knew this would degrade into a morality debate, especially when people don't realize there is already morality issues with the game. I was hoping people would be able to contribute positively to this thread, instead of right away saying "nope, thread dead, sorry, bye"
A bubble pipe is one thing... smoking any kind of leaves, be they tobacco, tea, or any other kind, is something EA won't agree to put in the game. But as I said, feel free to ask a SimGuru. In my opinion (and I could be wrong), you won't get many signatures on this petition, as I think the majority will think it is a lost cause. Plus, there's other things they will want more. I have contributed all I can to this thread, and I feel any more is just argumentative. Sorry.
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This isn't quite what you were requesting but I thought I'd mention a few things I've seen around.
* There is a lovely remodel of the bubble blower floating around the cc world which you might like. I don't have it, but I've seen it in a few l.ps and it's a very nice object. I don't know where it's from but I'm sure you could find it with a bit of a search.
(edit: yes, I tried a quick search and it does indeed pull up the mod. One is definitely from Mod the Sims. I'm not linking, just to be careful. You should find them easily though with a few choice words.)
(edit 2: I believe the pretty one I saw that I particularly liked is from Around the Sims 3.)
* I know you said 'not smoking' but there is a smoking mod at Mod the Sims.
* The herbs from University Life are supposed to mimic certain substances. When eaten they have different effects. Did you know you can throw them on a bonfire and everyone in the area will feel the effect?
This might not be quite what you had in mind but I thought I'd mention them, just in case.
I don't think the store team would be 100% against the idea, but they have to take general opinion into account. I'm not too sure how good the reaction would be to such content. It might be a little too niche.
I understand what you are saying about the nectar and hookah bubble blower, but the real problem is emulation. In other words there is such a thing as fizzy nectar and the idea of any real person buying a hookah isn't gonna happen. If a teen tried to emulate it it, would be hard for the hookah.
Reminds me of a time I was in the waiting room at the doctors and cartoons were on and the coyote gets smashed on the head with an anvil. One of the parents says to her kid, "That's a cartoon, you don't do that in real life." I'm like "Where is that kid gonna get an anvil?"
But yes, you should try to find modders interested in what you're looking for! TS4 will be friendly to modding, it looks like.
I'd just hate to see you spending energy trying to push for something that is likely either to be a non-starter or at least very, very low on their priorities list.
No wishlist for me!