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Do you think the Sims 4 & its DLC is too US/euro focused?

StrawberryYogurtStrawberryYogurt Posts: 2,519 Member
edited September 29 in The Sims 4 Game Feedback
As far as worlds, food, clothing, activies, and mannerisms

Elaborate in comments if you choose to do so.
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Do you think the Sims 4 & its DLC is too US/euro focused? 157 votes

Yes
26%
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No
73%
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  • Calico45Calico45 Posts: 1,676 Member
    No
    I'm going to say no just because "too US/euro focused" makes it sound like a critique if I said yes, when I am not particularly bothered. Everything has its own bias, scope, setting, and targeted audience. I would like to see various cultural and global content come to the game, but I am not sure how well they could actually correct that focus bias and if they necessarily need to.

    Normally I wouldn't think twice about whether or not a game should change its chosen slice of perspective, but I do think The Sims has opened itself up to this type of criticism. Less so because of being a life simulator and more so because of the marketing and rhetoric promoted around the game.

    I don't know. I am more attached to the Simlish approach of vaguely familiar to the real world but distinctly unique to a fantasy world rather than trying and failing to represent our vast globe, but if they invited the challenge then they need to stand up to it.
  • SERVERFRASERVERFRA Posts: 4,724 Member
    No
    We have England, Japan, Mexico, Eastern European with the US. So, it's not a problem. However, I wouldn't mind Canada to be included in the game considering I'm Canadian. But no worries. ;)
  • mightyspritemightysprite Posts: 1,282 Member
    Yes
    I would have loved for the game to be multicultural from the beginning/ in the basegame.
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  • taydevtaydev Posts: 891 Member
    No
    If it were a couple of years or so ago I would have said yes, namely US centric, but the team has added worlds and objects inspired by other cultures and I hope this continues.
  • Atreya33Atreya33 Posts: 2,486 Member
    As a game based in the US, it will obviously be somewhat US focused. So I don't mind to an extent.

    That being said I find the sims 4 base game more US centric than previous versions. The previous versions felt more generic, easier to identify with. I think is caused by the way sims 4 handles worlds. They are all very specific locations and unlike sims 2 and 3 we have no possibility to edit them or create our own.

    But if you add in all the packs with different worlds, it gets better. We have Central and Northern Europe (Windenburg), England (Britechester, Henford on bagley) Japan (Mt komorebi), the Pacific (Sulani), South America (Selvadora, unfortunately not residential). San Mychuno and Evergreen Harbour even allow some flexibility as to where we think they are located. Both vibrant modern cities as well as old industrial cities can be found in different parts of the globe. Same principle for a remote forest location without background buildings (yay!) like Glimmerbrook. Of course we have plenty of US worlds (willow creek, oasis springs, del Sol Valley, Strangerville, Brindleton Bay.

    If you want you can have some options to play outside of the US, if you choose your EP/GP carefully. But some regions would still be very welcome to be added like Africa or the Mediterranean.
  • SimmingalSimmingal Posts: 4,391 Member
    edited September 29
    erm.
    I'm just gonna say:

    CAS: too crop top/basic focused.
    (not enough unique looking alternative fashion or occult gear or cultural stuff or grandma wear or... basically anything more fun and exciting than shorts and croptop)

    B/B: too modern/basic/mid century/basically ikea focused.

    and too many items are huge machines where it does not make sense
    (like the mighty cupcake machine)

    Worlds: too much green lawn and blue sky similar weather and effects

    i think we shall have some other world types by now like cities,deserts, african world, fantasy places, creepy forests, underwater, space, historical/cultural ones... just no more "here have lawn" enough lawns :neutral:

    Gameplay: too much... lack of it? :sweat_smile: but also avoiding new animations seems to be a problem

    Food: do not care tbh my sims have plenty to eat like yeah okay they add new culture inspired pack sure add few of that culture but its not like im out here feeling like i lack food options

    mannerisms: well it would be lovely to have more options always
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  • ScobreScobre Posts: 20,569 Member
    Yes
    I do feel like it is. Especially when other games in the genre are much more diverse with everything than the Sims 4 is. I just feel like Sims 4 is stuck in the past and tries to do simple modern furniture to make up for it, but just ends up enhancing how US/Euro focused this version of the Sims is compared to its counterpart PC, console, and mobile versions.
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  • SheriSim57SheriSim57 Posts: 5,206 Member
    No
    I figure since most of the devs are probably located in the United Stares, that they can more accurately portray places in the U.S. But like others said, we have North and Middle/South America, Japan, a few packs in England and the EU, and the South Pacific. I live in the U.S. but, haven’t even seen some states, or much of the ones I have been to. I doubt EA is paying many devs to go to other countries to capture the look of other countries, so much of it is likely based on research on the internet ( or books ). And I’m wondering how much time they are even given to do that. I think they have done a pretty good job trying to capture other cultures with clothes and furniture, even if they can’t include every country. I would love to see a romantic French pack, a Mediterranean world, I would love to see a cruise around the Mediterranean with the ship visiting ports around it. An African Safari world would be really neat too.
  • FatTribble23FatTribble23 Posts: 421 Member
    edited September 29
    No
    SERVERFRA wrote: »
    We have England, Japan, Mexico, Eastern European with the US. So, it's not a problem. However, I wouldn't mind Canada to be included in the game considering I'm Canadian. But no worries. ;)

    I second this! Bring on the toques, hockey, and beavers ASAP! :smile: (don't be mad, just gentle teasing. I LOVE Canada!)

    EDIT: Realized I didn't comment on the OP's question. My bad. No, I don't think so, at the moment. When it was just basegame, sure. But now we have a (fictionalized, I suppose) South Pacific world, a South American world, a Japan world, etc. And now that they've released the new kits, I honestly wouldn't be mad at all about a Korea world and an India world. I also agree with those wanting an Africa world. I think a world based on Kenya would be cool.
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  • texxx78texxx78 Posts: 5,609 Member
    No
    I think it is US/euro focused, just not too US/euro focused. It is as i would expect it, a US game focused in life. But it tries to represent other cultures here and there, which imo is good, as long as it doesn't becomes the focus which should always be a game about life.
  • DaraviDaravi Posts: 812 Member
    No
    If you would asked if they are us/english centric I would say 'yes with a but', that they included more hints of cultures now. But since it's an us/euro question, I say no, because the european culture with all it's food, clothes, festivities and sightseeing has very much more to offer, than what we have gotten ingame.
  • SnaveXsSnaveXs Posts: 3,970 Member
    No
    It is US/European focused. I want some part of Africa next. That has an arab and african influence. In fact, maybe livable South American world other than Selvadorada.
  • ChazzzyChazzzy Posts: 7,058 Member
    No
    Anything else would be ‘appropriation’.
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  • invisiblgirlinvisiblgirl Posts: 1,629 Member
    Simmingal wrote: »
    erm.
    I'm just gonna say:

    CAS: too crop top/basic focused.
    (not enough unique looking alternative fashion or occult gear or cultural stuff or grandma wear or... basically anything more fun and exciting than shorts and croptop)

    B/B: too modern/basic/mid century/basically ikea focused.

    and too many items are huge machines where it does not make sense
    (like the mighty cupcake machine)

    Worlds: too much green lawn and blue sky similar weather and effects

    i think we shall have some other world types by now like cities,deserts, african world, fantasy places, creepy forests, underwater, space, historical/cultural ones... just no more "here have lawn" enough lawns :neutral:

    Gameplay: too much... lack of it? :sweat_smile: but also avoiding new animations seems to be a problem

    Food: do not care tbh my sims have plenty to eat like yeah okay they add new culture inspired pack sure add few of that culture but its not like im out here feeling like i lack food options

    mannerisms: well it would be lovely to have more options always

    I like the way you've broken it down. I don't feel qualified to answer because I'm US/Euro centred by default, so I won't necessarily see any deficits. However, you've identified some things that could definitely be improved.

    - The crop tops and sleeveless shirts. Not every culture is comfortable with this, and as we age, many of us are definitely not comfortable with showing that much skin. But mostly, I worry about my Sims getting cold. We don't all live in California.

    - B/B: Yes - we could definitely use more antiques, though I think this has improved with recent packs. And I'd really like some smaller options for the telescope and microscope. You know, stuff that would fit in an average person's home. Not everyone lives on a half-acre with a McMansion.

    - Fewer lawns, for sure. More xeriscaping options would be nice - that should have been part of the eco pack. More gardens for locations that do get rain.

    - Food: my main issue with foods is that we do have some options, but the options don't count toward the healthy lifestyle. More Mediterranean and grain-based options would be nice.
    I just want things to match. :'(
  • Calico45Calico45 Posts: 1,676 Member
    No
    I see there have been a number of responses now, but I didn't happen to see which you voted for, OP. Where do you fall on the issue?
  • StrawberryYogurtStrawberryYogurt Posts: 2,519 Member
    edited September 29
    No
    Calico45 wrote: »
    I see there have been a number of responses now, but I didn't happen to see which you voted for, OP. Where do you fall on the issue?

    Oh you noticed? 🤣 I'm not sure where I fall. I think it does have a focus on US/Euro culture, but im fine with that because thats the target audience and where its based. I cant expect it to be everything to everyone, thats unreasonable. But my greediness wants me to have so much more focus on more cultures 🤣 so ultimately, no, its not "too" focused because I think the focus is appropriate. But in an ideal world, the focus is balanced evenly between all countries 😀

    But im also interested in what others think too, especially since some have said it is focused too much on US/Euro, hence the poll. Im also one of those who want a new world to be based from an asian or african country
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  • DaraviDaravi Posts: 812 Member
    No
    Im also one of those who want a new world to be based from an asian or african country

    If they plan to include a village or a tiny town based on an african country, I expect a massive outcry from the sim community. Whatever they will do, something will be wrong in the eyes of the players and then there will be no forgiveness. If I'm wrong about the sim community, I'm happily wrong.

    Imagine an overrepresentation of white and asian-based sim in a centralafrican-based sim village, reverse to HoB. I can already see whole socialmedia channels burning, rightfully in my eyes. The same people who don't care about HoB-overrepresentation, will be definately explode if this happen on an african-themed village. I would be really cautious, especially after the japanese dlc incident. I know an overrepresentation won't happen, but I really asking myself would the PoC-player accept it if a white family would live in an african-themed village or would they be angry, because the white/asian sim ruined the immersion?
  • alexspoom13alexspoom13 Posts: 7,364 Member
    No
    No but I'd like to see more representation of other parts of the world.
  • Chicklet453681Chicklet453681 Posts: 1,517 Member
    No
    I personally don't think so, it's made by a company who is located in the US. So to me it's pretty obvious that they will lean more towards things in the game that are familiar and that they can represent more accurately.

    I would not expect/demand a game that is made in another country to be more "Americanized" simply because I'm American. I would accept the fact that the developers are not American and wouldn't know everything about American culture/lifestyles/fashion/foods/architecture, etc.

    I think Sims4 does a decent job at making diverse looking worlds. But for me, one of the problems with the worlds is that we are "stuck" in those worlds with no way to change it up to look more like what we think it should look. If we had the ability to change the world to represent the world we think it should be, that would have helped a lot.
  • LoanetLoanet Posts: 3,845 Member
    No
    But then again, I am British. And the Devs are spreading out - which they should keep doing.
    Just because I bought most of the Packs at full price doesn't mean I don't know when I'm being ripped off, especially now that I can't buy Bundles.
  • StrawberryYogurtStrawberryYogurt Posts: 2,519 Member
    edited September 29
    No
    Daravi wrote: »
    Im also one of those who want a new world to be based from an asian or african country
    Imagine an overrepresentation of white and asian-based sim in a centralafrican-based sim village, reverse to HoB. I can already see whole socialmedia channels burning, rightfully in my eyes. The same people who don't care about HoB-overrepresentation, will be definately explode if this happen on an african-themed village. I would be really cautious, especially after the japanese dlc incident. I know an overrepresentation won't happen, but I really asking myself would the PoC-player accept it if a white family would live in an african-themed village or would they be angry, because the white/asian sim ruined the immersion?

    Yeah, youre overthinking this or being facetious lol

    White families are found everywhere, even in countries in Africa. Asian families are found everywhere, even in countries in South America. And every kind of race can be found anywhere. But if you want a certain playstyle or world, go for it. This is why I wish we had more control over the way townies spawn. I do wish there were tabs to control how many townies, what sex, single/married, what age, what color/ethnicity etc generates in your world. I actually have had a world I wanted asian set in the past, and I had to keep editing townies. I wasnt angry or outraged though, thats just how the game is designed.

    I dont really care what twitter thinks about my personal game and neither should you. Im only annoyed if the sims team accepts those extreme political or social views and then limits options for everyone else.

    Do you really want the team to stop including anything thats not US/Eurocentric because of irrational complaints?

    Also you say sims team shouldnt include X because there may be complaints, but there are world influenced by real countries already in the game. Why are those "safe" to include and others are not? Thats a double standard.

    I remember the issue with SE controversy, and I dont like the decison the team made.
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