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RoM: Show off your sages!
GrumpyGlowfish
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Back when Realm of Magic came out, quite a few players were disappointed by how boring most of the sages looked in the game compared to the trailers. So maybe I'm not the only one who edited or even completely replaced them.
With the Mass Effect Legendary Edition reigniting my love for that franchise, I decided to remake the three sages in the image of the Citadel councillors. So here they are, from left to right:
- The sage of practical magic, formerly known as Simeon Silversweater, is now Sparatus Quint, inspired by the Turian councillor Sparatus and his successor Quentius.
- The sage of mischievous magic, formerly L. Faba, is now Irissa Tevos, inspired by the Asari councillors. Her tentacle hair was made by a modder called Crazy Mammoth.
- Last but not least, I did the unthinkable and changed the immensely popular Morgyn Ember as well, so the sage of untamed magic is now Valern Esheel, inspired by the Salarian councillors.
What have you done with the sages?
With the Mass Effect Legendary Edition reigniting my love for that franchise, I decided to remake the three sages in the image of the Citadel councillors. So here they are, from left to right:
- The sage of practical magic, formerly known as Simeon Silversweater, is now Sparatus Quint, inspired by the Turian councillor Sparatus and his successor Quentius.
- The sage of mischievous magic, formerly L. Faba, is now Irissa Tevos, inspired by the Asari councillors. Her tentacle hair was made by a modder called Crazy Mammoth.
- Last but not least, I did the unthinkable and changed the immensely popular Morgyn Ember as well, so the sage of untamed magic is now Valern Esheel, inspired by the Salarian councillors.
What have you done with the sages?
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These are the kinds of things that make me want to play. They look awesome.
—T
Depends on save, sometimes they get a makeover, sometimes all get replaced, and If I do not have any reason at all to visit Realm, I do nothing to them.
All 3 got a makeover in my latest save I have used ROM stuff.
Sea may rise, sky may fall, My love will never die..
My heart, my heart, My drowning heart, Oh all the tears I've cried
Oh I may weep forevermore, My love will never die..
So I gender-swapped Morgyn and recreated her. I named her Morgaine Ember.
I gave her a key to the house so she could visit whenever she liked and instruct my sims.
sisters. Let me go hunt
edit...found them
All very pretty-looking sims! Is that a cc top your sage of mischief is wearing? I don't think I've ever seen it before.
That confused me, too! She was so heavily featured in the first trailer, but nowhere to be found in the actual game, and when they finally added her to the gallery, she came with a different name than what we were told originally... All very strange. But your recreation of her looks awesome, especially with the key necklace after you said you gave her access to your sims' home. I image she can use that key to go anywhere she wants.
I like that they all wear the same dress in different colours, that's something I wanted to do with own sages, but the outfit I had in mind didn't look so good on the female sage. What are their names?
Something wicked this way comes!
I don't use MCCC.
I also edited the sages for my personal save file. I almost forgot the original ones.
I liked the sage from the first ROM trailer, with Morgyn being a new spellcaster who just discovered magic. So I swapped Sage Morgyn for Aine (called Anya in my game). Morgyn is now a regular spellcaster in my sims world. I also edited the other two sages. Simeon looks closer to the sage in the second trailer and L Faba is now a mischievous fairy.
Sea may rise, sky may fall, My love will never die..
My heart, my heart, My drowning heart, Oh all the tears I've cried
Oh I may weep forevermore, My love will never die..
I just edited the existing ones. When you go to manage household you will find them in there as sims not in the world. You can edit them from there. If you use the cas full edit cheat before you enter cas you can even change gender, skin color, facial structure, traits, body shape,...
I think you can even use new sims and give them the appropriate hidden traits to have them show up as sages but I don't know all the details to make that work.
Yeah, that's how my current sages were created, too. But how did you replace Morgyn with Anya then? Did you just make him a played sim so he lost his sage status, and edited whoever took his place?
Great! Make sure to share them here when you're done.
Something wicked this way comes!
I don't use MCCC.
I basically heavily edited the existing sage until Morgyn became Anya. You can still see the resemblance in the face.
Before I started, I saved Morgyn to the gallery and then put a slightly edited copy of him in my an empty house in willow creek. Then edited that house to suit a spellcaster and added a cauldron.
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/comment/17246307#Comment_17246307
i definitely suggest adding some other hidden traits mentioned in the next few posts, as well. to me one of the biggest ones is 'spellcaster premade', which i add to every spellcaster i make. that trait ensures they don't change into random outfits each time they enter the magic realm when unplayed
as for my sages themselves, you can see one in that comment. i've taken a sort of 'american gods' style approach, deciding that each of my 3 sages is actually a deity from some culture in the world. that hasn't fully panned out yet, but two of the three fit so far (untamed is more difficult for it than i expected)
first up is cody changing dog (named after and slightly based on characters from charles de lint's urban fantasy books, the not-exactly-a-series, newford books. he mixes a lot of native american and celtic mythology together, with hints of other things, in a city somewhere in northern north america)
cody is meant to be coyote, the trickster in many stories from numerous native american tribes. he's usually depicted as having a good heart/good intentions but frequently doing things for his own aggrandizement, yet frequently messing up somehow. because of that, i gave him the ambitious, clumsy and self-absorbed traits
i also gave him himself as a familiar... a unique dog based on navajo artwork depicting coyote. (annoyingly, pets as familiars will not show up in the magic realm. i was hoping to have both versions of coyote together all the time)
originally, i had planned on making a version of baron samedi for this role, or even papa legba for the practical sage, but wound up not being happy with any of my attempts at creating them. instead, i've got a handful of voudon practitioner spellcasters scattered about
for practical sage, i'd bounced a lot of ideas around and tried several out but was never happy with them (such as the afore-mentioned papa legba from haitian voodoo). then i found somebody's attempt at a kitsune on the gallery shortly before snowy escape was released. she was originally created as a vampire but i downloaded her, changed her to a spellcaster and edited slightly to make her inari kitsune, based on the trickster/guardian japanese deity, inari (who can be both male and female as they see fit).
one of my favorite things about this upload was the fox they had alongside her, which i made into her familiar. but, as mentioned for cody... i'm sad they don't actually show up in the magic realm...
and then the untamed sage... as mentioned, none of the mythological beings i could think of really suited the role like i wanted so for now i've been using a version of aine, but am sorely considering putting ganon here in the role instead
ganon is, of course, based on the main villain from the legend of zelda series though this version is also very much designed around a character in remi marocelli's plumbob princess machinima that i can't recommend enough. this version isn't intended as a bad guy but he is hot-headed to give him bursts of anger which i feel would suit someone in charge of the volatile effects of untamed magic
i've kept morgyn around as a regular spellcaster. and for me, 'regular' has a rather broad meaning, since i've got elves (including drow), frankenstein style monsters, 'demons' of various stripes (fire and water as examples) and even a skeleton among my spellcasters, alongside various sorcerers, shamans, witches and wizards based on caster concepts from around the world
i also kept ethren reyes from that official maxis upload of the trailer sages, though i made him minerva charm's love interest and then killed him off via spellcaster overload because i'm a cruel deity. i consider him now bound to her house, so of course had his ghost move in with them
Do you play with MCCC? If you go into Self-Command cheats with MCCC on a spellcaster is there an option to summon familiar? I know with vampires I can do things like turn the bat form on and off on NPCs that way.
i don't really mess with mccc, though have used it a few times to fix some family relationships that got messed up at various times (especially when transferring saved sims into a new save after game corruption. had to have my extended families all still be related properly)
i tend to like my mods less invasive in general, just because of how they can break (or be broken by) things so easily with updates. but now i do wonder if that one aspect will work
i know the non-cheat version of that only works on the currently controlled sim, so can't be used on the sages without stripping their sagehood
The spellcaster premade trait sounds very interesting. I currently have a mod to get rid of those awful outfits in the magic realm. I didn't realise there was an in game way of preventing this for sims. Just when I thought I was finally ready with my custom save file...
Slightly off-topic (look at me, derailing my own thread), but is there also a trait or another (non-MCCC) solution that prevents the game from turning unplayed sims into witches? I regularly make families unplayed when I'm not currently interested in them, both to improve performance and not exceed the 200 sims limit, and before I know it, they're swinging wands in the Magic Realm or studying at the univeristy, sometimes losing their jobs in the process.
Something wicked this way comes!
I don't use MCCC.
Life changing!!! Shame it only works for the Magic Realm. I have a "Patchy" who is a mage, every time I don't play that household and then return to it, my Patchy wears some randomness and every time, the first time it happened I didn't even recognized him and though "when did i created this guy?" I'll be so happy if we ever get a situational outfits off button.
(there's a lot more information in my posts in that hidden traits thread on how to add or remove the traits, what some do and so on. and a list of them, of course. though i did have some typos early on)
know, one big, big caveat for the premade trait is it has to be used before that sim sets foot in the magic realm. if it's put in after, they totally ignore it and reroll their outfits like others. (a way around this, if you don't mind losing relationships and such is to add the trait, save to library, delete original, place library version in in their stead)
a way to be slightly on topic: if you give an actively played sim one (or all) of the sage traits, they'll lose the trait when you change lots with them but they'll also learn all the spells for that school. which is a really quick way to learn them...
each premade that came in the rom pack also had a unique trait that included their name in it. took me a while to figure out what those did but turns out they're sort of... like presets. every sim you give trait_Magic_Fixups_GraceAnansi to (as an example) will have the exact same spells and potions learned, while the ones that just have trait_Magic_Fixups_Spells_MagicVenueNPC_Intermediate will have a randomized assortment of spells (similar for the potions trait similar to it)
as for a way to keep your sims from becoming spellcasters while they're unplayed... the only thing i can think of is ensure you have what the game considers enough townie casters with intermediate or novice traits. probably around 20-25 should do it but i'm not really sure (i've got 57 spellcasters in my game, 10 of them are townies with the novice trait set (spells and potions) and 11 are townies with the intermediate set. can't exactly say if that's enough to keep sims being turned into those caster townies or if it's just that i've got so many casters in general for it
@AmeliaTodd i feel you on that patchy... the skeleton caster i mentioned is kinda similar. she's a temple guardian from jungle adventure that i cheated into a household and made a spellcaster because i thought it was cool. any time i play the household, she's a skeleton... but... well, this household picture explains a lot:
one of the others here is a mermaid, the guy is a humanized gorilla from the gallery i couldn't resist grabbing
and i know they're not sages, but i'll put a few pics of my more mythological spellcasters in spoiler tags below
the first one is one of the quartets of caster townies i tossed on the gallery. all the others are more human, though two are a bit fantastic looking
here we have a drow, an ifrit (demon of fire), marid (demon of water) and... just something random
a trio of elves (again, one's a drow)
and an 'opposites attract' pair, another fire and water duo
...um... i apparently don't know how to make short posts
My mad bunch of sages:
Left to Right:
The Gloom is always angry because he's embarrassed about his buckle shoes. The only thing he wants is a pair of snazzy boots but one of his apprentices once cursed his feet by accident. To this day he's been unable to find a way to break the curse. As a consequence his apprentices rarely survive their training. 🤷🏻♂️
Madame Tituba Perrault
Sage Of Untamed Magic
Ursula Grimm
Sage Of Practical Magic
Alice Andersen
Sage Of Mischievious Magic
All named after authors/collectors of fairytales (Charles Perrault, Brothers Grimm and Hans-Christian Andersen), Tituba is the name of the first woman to be accused of witchcraft during the Salem witchtrials, Ursula is named after the disney seawitch and Alice...well, Alice in Wonderland.
They are all female cuz in my game it's a witches school and not a spellcaster HQ.
The former HQ looks like this now btw.
I just like the darker look and feel for both the sages and the realm, it's just my taste.
When I play with spellcasters I usually add a lot of other spellcasters in the game and I also like to use the original sages from the RoM trailer, but I've never used them as actual sages.