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SimmingalSimmingal Posts: 8,888 Member
edited May 2021 in The Sims 4 Game Feedback
Is anyone else just sick of TS4 babysitting its players?

turns out hates kids trait improvement seemed " predatory" to someone and now they are taking it out...

when actually that was just to add realism and didn't increase predatory gameplay in any way because well unless player goes all the way out to make it predatory it really wouldn't be.
and woohoo would still need same amount of consent it usually does.

it could really just be 2 sims getting juiced and forgetting they hate kids or that woohoo minus protection spawns one

and im just tired in general of this trend that everything in game must be a freaking utopia and it cancels out whole loads of stuff

like one could argue mother plant is predatory and they'd just go " oh right totally let us delete that" like um mother plant is very nice buddy if you just calm her down

one could argue " oh but sims could be killed in horrible ways so they should never die" and theyd just go "oh right let us take dying out of the game"

like I'm sick if this mentality of " if it can be used for evil it cant be in the game"

and I'm sure it will end up destroying half of the game for me because well it already has. in form of realm of magic spells being completely nerfed cause "oh no someone might want to make evil wizard" p_p
(yes that someone is me, total creep, do flee)

I just hope community would realize that what someone does in their game doesnt need to happen in theirs and they can simply just not do it if it bothers them so much

personally i was hyped that despite hates kids sims not liking kids they might still accidentally make one and hence have to battle their dislike of kids to raise one

but now idk if they'll end up ruining the whole trait for me cause someone found that spoopy

and anyway thanks for coming to my hotheaded rant hope your nose isnt completely stuffed with peas and have a great day
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  • ScobreScobre Posts: 20,665 Member
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    Yeah I find it easier than even the MySims games which were designed for children.
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  • marissimmarissim Posts: 55 Member
    To be honest, I wish lots of things would stop being frowned upon just because they can be turned into something bad.
    I do agree with you, & CelSims.
  • SimmingalSimmingal Posts: 8,888 Member
    Sigmund wrote: Β»
    Why include that feature at all? Why wouldn't it work just like any other Sim couple trying for a baby? I'm the one telling my sims to try for a baby, and I don't want or need some weird, implicit reminder that my Sim technically doesn't want children but is being forced to procreate because I told him to.

    well you can view it that way but i thought it would make sense for sim to most of the time reject making beings they hate though unless there is specific reason they might not feel that way in the moment
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  • marissimmarissim Posts: 55 Member
    Thing is, it should still be viewed as something bad no matter what. If your Sim hates children, and absolutely does not want them, one could argue the partner is forcing a child onto the other by simply "trying for baby", because you know one of them does not want to. If you really think about it, it's still bad. It simply isn't seen this way because now the dazed requirement is gone.
    At least, that is how I see it.
  • SERVERFRASERVERFRA Posts: 7,108 Member
    They should put a give up baby for adoption for the sims that "H" children, so a family that wants children can adopt; not just a random A.I. child.
  • marissimmarissim Posts: 55 Member
    @CelSims
    I wanna say, for the same reason we don't have burglars in TS4, but we do have Vampires breaking in and feeding off of our asleep Sims. I have seen lots of threads about how burglars provoked unpleasant feelings in the players, but a Vampire sneaking inside your place in the middle of the night, to suck blood out of a sleeping Sim is okay? I have searched a few times as to why they didn't make it into TS4, and lots of people shared the same feeling as to why they were bad to deal with.
    I know this is a completely different subject, but a lot of complains seem to be done just to complain and no other real purpose. If you really wanna argue that something makes you feel a certain way, go all the way through with it.

    I do not want to disregard anyone's feelings, obviously.
  • CelSimsCelSims Posts: 2,270 Member
    edited May 2021
    marissim wrote: Β»
    @CelSims
    I wanna say, for the same reason we don't have burglars in TS4, but we do have Vampires breaking in and feeding off of our asleep Sims. I have seen lots of threads about how burglars provoked unpleasant feelings in the players, but a Vampire sneaking inside your place in the middle of the night, to suck blood out of a sleeping Sim is okay? I have searched a few times as to why they didn't make it into TS4, and lots of people shared the same feeling as to why they were bad to deal with.
    I know this is a completely different subject, but a lot of complains seem to be done just to complain and no other real purpose. If you really wanna argue that something makes you feel a certain way, go all the way through with it.

    I do not want to disregard anyone's feelings, obviously.

    Oooof. Occult players have been complaining for a while that break ins don't happen any more, due to people complaining about it. :'(
    The trespassing option added to doors, last year I think?, can be used to prevent vampires spawning on the lot for the drink event. For all intent and purpose, the no trespass option is the players consent button in regards to vampire break ins.

    I do agree, complaining about this but ignoring the fact that sims have no consent at all from every thing to the clothes they wear to the food they eat, to their life partner, is just being offended for the sake of it.
  • SimmingalSimmingal Posts: 8,888 Member
    edited May 2021
    well as for burglars i would love them back especially if i could assign the sim myself so it isnt just randomized townies

    but i do think there should be toggle if they add them cause they'd get nerfed in like seconds probably p_p
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  • SimmingalSimmingal Posts: 8,888 Member
    @Daephene Now THIS is a good if not better alternative and I am all for it.

    especially if your sims did have to buy some type of protection thing to make sure they do not get pregnant from woohoo and try for baby would just have higher success rate at giving your sims spawn than woohoo

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  • marissimmarissim Posts: 55 Member
    edited May 2021
    @CelSims Please somebody teach me the art of how to quote only part of a post. omg.
    They could add "opt-out" options for everything players dislike though. I did not know Vampires break ins had been nerfed, Vlad must really like my Sim!
    It just seems silly that complains managed to keep out of the game a whole feature, but then they settle for a door being locked when it comes down to someone literally breaking into your house to annoy your Sim. Mind you, I LOVE vampires & the occasional visits. But it's useless being so vocal about one side of it, and then settle for the very same thing just implemented differently.

    My point is, I wish that people who decide to complain about one thing being bad, would look at the whole picture instead of only part of it. They behaved like Maxis added it and worded it that way to turn your Sims into big bad monsters, when in reality there was NOTHING behind it.
    Especially if you are just going ahead and making your children hating Sims still have babies. Just don't use the trait... And don't force a company to take one thing out of the game because you don't want to feel like you're doing something wrong. Truth is, if you are forcing your Sims with the hates children trait try for baby, you are still doing something wrong. You just don't have a visual reminder of it.
  • SimmingalSimmingal Posts: 8,888 Member
    marissim wrote: Β»
    Please somebody teach me the art of how to quote only part of a post. omg.

    you just have to keep the first bracket quote=nickname bunch of numbers and stuff bracket thing and then delete anything in between you don't want to quote and have a nice bracket /quote bracket at the end of where you want quote to end and write your comment after that like usual :smile:
    hope i made sense :sweat_smile:
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  • DaepheneDaephene Posts: 1,760 Member
    @Daephene Now THIS is a good if not better alternative and I am all for it.

    especially if your sims did have to buy some type of protection thing to make sure they do not get pregnant from woohoo and try for baby would just have higher success rate at giving your sims spawn than woohoo

    I don't know if I'd want to have to go through the motions of using some kind of protection every time... but I do wish there were situations that made woohoo riskier... dazed state, exhaustion, something like that. I don't mind having an always 0% chance of pregnancy option and an almost 100% likely to get pregnant option, I'd just like a 10% chance option as well, that I can make happen if I want to for a story or to add some randomness to the game. And then if you have Hates Children or Noncommittal sims you can still create stories that involve accidental pregnancies, it's just a little more work than with other sims.

    I regularly use Try for Baby as in I am trying to get them pregnant and headcanon that it was a surprise for them... but honestly the odds of getting pregnant are too high so it never fails which kind of takes the fun out of taking the risk on a whim.
  • marissimmarissim Posts: 55 Member
    you just have to keep the first bracket quote=nickname bunch of numbers and stuff bracket thing and then delete anything in between you don't want to quote and have a nice bracket /quote bracket at the end of where you want quote to end and write your comment after that like usual :smile:
    hope i made sense :sweat_smile:
    Thanks. <3

  • SimmingalSimmingal Posts: 8,888 Member
    edited May 2021
    Daephene wrote: Β»
    @Daephene Now THIS is a good if not better alternative and I am all for it.

    especially if your sims did have to buy some type of protection thing to make sure they do not get pregnant from woohoo and try for baby would just have higher success rate at giving your sims spawn than woohoo

    I don't know if I'd want to have to go through the motions of using some kind of protection every time...

    true true

    I was perhaps thinking of something like "unfertility goddess statue" for a silly approach or " unfertility potion" for somewhat realistic to block chance of pregnancy while woohoo

    but it would be nice if there was some risk of getting nooboo when woohooing
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  • SheriSim57SheriSim57 Posts: 6,934 Member
    edited May 2021
    Is anyone else just sick of TS4 babysitting its players?

    turns out hates kids trait improvement seemed " predatory" to someone and now they are taking it out...

    when actually that was just to add realism and didn't increase predatory gameplay in any way because well unless player goes all the way out to make it predatory it really wouldn't be.
    and woohoo would still need same amount of consent it usually does.

    it could really just be 2 sims getting juiced and forgetting they hate kids or that woohoo minus protection spawns one

    and im just tired in general of this trend that everything in game must be a freaking utopia and it cancels out whole loads of stuff

    like one could argue mother plant is predatory and they'd just go " oh right totally let us delete that" like um mother plant is very nice buddy if you just calm her down

    one could argue " oh but sims could be killed in horrible ways so they should never die" and theyd just go "oh right let us take dying out of the game"

    like I'm sick if this mentality of " if it can be used for evil it cant be in the game"

    and I'm sure it will end up destroying half of the game for me because well it already has. in form of realm of magic spells being completely nerfed cause "oh no someone might want to make evil wizard" p_p
    (yes that someone is me, total creep, do flee)

    I just hope community would realize that what someone does in their game doesnt need to happen in theirs and they can simply just not do it if it bothers them so much

    personally i was hyped that despite hates kids sims not liking kids they might still accidentally make one and hence have to battle their dislike of kids to raise one

    but now idk if they'll end up ruining the whole trait for me cause someone found that spoopy

    and anyway thanks for coming to my hotheaded rant hope your nose isnt completely stuffed with peas and have a great day

    I personally don’t like that they changed the hates to have children sims where it is hard for them to give birth because it takes away from my freedom of what I want to do. If I want them to have children in my story line, then I want them to have them........ maybe I want to plan for a divorce or a break up afterwards. So that messes up my story line. It didn’t even occur to me what other people were concerned with. I don’t want to see them taking away my options like that. But wouldn’t it be easy enough for them to put ( like another player said ) an option to have a 10% chance of getting pregnant along with the regular try for baby option? Then if you want that type of randomness you have it. But if you don’t want so much randomness you have that too?
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  • SharoniaSharonia Posts: 4,853 Member
    edited May 2021
    Somethings bother me and some don't when it comes to the term babysitting...

    Nerfing Vampires... That bothers me.
    Meaningless Aspirations that are just mini tutorials... That bothers me.
    The lack of any bad consequences or events... That bothers me.

    The Hates Children Trait changes... That doesn't bother me. I think it needs changing. It's creepy and unnecessary.
  • SimmingalSimmingal Posts: 8,888 Member
    netney52 wrote: Β»
    It’s been interesting seeing the comments on here compared to Twitter and YouTube on the issue. On those platforms people are saying sims should be a safe space and things like this should not be in the game. I have never thought of a game being a safe space

    Well I certainly consider my saves very unsafe spaces :lol: I don't want things to be all perfectly happy and unproblematic quite the opposite

    but at the same time it is very safe space in sense that it includes no other humans just me and my sims that may or may not be creeps :lol: and i control my kingdom of doom
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  • CelSimsCelSims Posts: 2,270 Member
    netney52 wrote: Β»
    It’s been interesting seeing the comments on here compared to Twitter and YouTube on the issue. On those platforms people are saying sims should be a safe space and things like this should not be in the game. I have never thought of a game being a safe space

    Well I certainly consider my saves very unsafe spaces :lol: I don't want things to be all perfectly happy and unproblematic quite the opposite

    but at the same time it is very safe space in sense that it includes no other humans just me and my sims that may or may not be creeps :lol: and i control my kingdom of doom

    I always take the view that without some adversity and challenges to over come, you don't fully appreciate the happy moments. How many children have been born from an oops moment and are cherished, turning an accident or drunken mistake into a wanted, happy child.
  • SimmingalSimmingal Posts: 8,888 Member
    edited May 2021
    CelSims wrote: Β»

    I always take the view that without some adversity and challenges to over come, you don't fully appreciate the happy moments. How many children have been born from an oops moment and are cherished, turning an accident or drunken mistake into a wanted, happy child.

    Yes and contrast is just needed in general

    especially in storytelling
    because well it doesnt really make a big story to turn happy child into happy child

    what is the point of that?
    If the happy is maxed out
    how can one even be more happy
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