Simtanium wrote: »
@Cinebar That's Okay, you're perfectly entitled to have your perspective and to post it. I agree with you that there is more important things the game needs, that pre-mades aren't all that important as you can make your own and that looking for representation in a game isn't always the best idea. However, EA are going to make more pre-mades for TS4 (presumably, anyway) so it wouldn't take any extra effort to make one of the families a gay couple. I'm not asking them to make a certain percentage gay, I'm just pointing out that there is a disparity between female and male same-sex couples in this game and with EA selling this game as being about inclusivity and them stating their support of gay rights, I feel like they've opened themselves up to this criticism.
If they don't add any gay couples I actually wouldn't be angry or upset, but if they do add another lesbian couple and not a gay couple I would be pretty miffed. This is something I expect from other video games and TV shows/movies (as I've explained earlier, it's usually considered "safer" to add in lesbian couples) but the Sims has always been more daring when it came to including gay options.
I feel like if this isn't something on your radar you probably won't understand my point or get this thread, which is fine. It's not a topic of concern for everyone. But I just noticed it and it stuck out to me, and I often get irritated at the type of (and lack of) representation gay males get so I wanted to make a thread about it.
Msbubbles26 wrote: »
Supporting your wants for representation? Yes. Praising hate speech? No.
The "its straight 'x' fault" was to the people you praised, you cannot praise someone's hate speech and then say you arent apart of it hence why at the end i said 'to the OP'. Though that isnt entirely your fault since it was a vague statement.
Apparently wanting acceptance across the board and not caring about someones color or sexuality or anything else is hive mind? Its a different side of the same coin. Proving my point that anyone who doesnt agree with you, you have to be insulting or passive aggressive or toxic.
You wanted to silence people being respectful but praise those acting disgusting. If the EA team said any of the sort, they'd be canceled so why is it okay to be aggressive or praise hate speech when its for YOUR agenda but whenever someone else does so, its awful?
You are right, different couples, different races, different ages are treated differently. Im sorry that gay, is gay, is gay to me. Coming from a place where being gay of any kind is illegal still today, and having people suffer for it and then coming to the internet in one of the most inclusive games out there regarding sexuality is insane to me. If you want me to look at gay men differently than to gay women, how is that not segregating? Different side, same coin. You are a gay dude? Cool. You are a gay woman? Cool. Im sorry that i dont segregate.
"Im sorry its rude and discriminating but its my viewpoint" Okay? You refuse to see any other person's point but expect others to cater to you specifically. EA listens very little to critical feedback all around, and are not very creative. Even though they have given YOU the option to make it your own? What about the folks who had NO options at ALL, and had to mod in those options?
It took years and years for them to add more diverse, darker skintones but had a hell of a lot of lighter skintones, to which to this day i still have to mod in.
You are allowed to want representation [As I've said], HOWEVER i called out how you wanted to act passive aggressive to respectful people, but praise those with hate speech.
if you think someone saying 'I disagree' is trolling....I'd save the passive aggression for people that actually are hateful, spiteful and toxic. Though you chose to PRAISE them because it was feeding your agenda.
Also notice how I don't have to insult others to get my point across, nor make myself feel more validated.
Again you are allowed to want what you want, you are entitled to that however i dont support you because you praise others' hate speech, are passive aggressive to those who disagree respectfully, and refuse to see any other point than your own, so why start a conversation?
You want EA to represent gay males? G o f o r I t. But dont praise toxicity-you get more bees with honey.
Because ive seen your attitude towards anyone who doesnt agree and bring up actual points, i see no reason to argue nor to debate.
Remember people, just because you want acceptance, or dont segregate, doesnt make you hive minded.
Im sorry i treat everyone the same, that i see everyone the same, and dont need to put down others to raise myself up.
You simply missed MY point that id be more than happy with representation across the board, however my support stopped once well ive stated it enough now.
Im sorry i dont think a game that allows you to impregnate, be pregnant, have both masculine and feminine body types for both genders, all equal options for clothing, pregnancy and asthetics for all genders, and can even essentially be sexually fluid- not inclusive. Essentially all sims are fluid They just so happen to be with a certain gender at a given time, however considering you can have 30 partners, all different genders and maybe even alien partners-sorry. I cant be offended.
How can anyone NOT just say 'i disagree'? if you give points you are attacked, or have people be hateful.
Chazzzy wrote: »