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The Eco Pack Has Just One Problem...

Well, the "Eco Living" trailer dropped a few days ago, as we all know. It doesn't look terrible to me. I mean, trash piles up, people can rummage in dumpsters...we get dumpsters...Death by Flies has come back for all those people who missed it, there's a smoggy industrial town, there are shipping container textures to put on homes to make it look like your sim is living in a genuine "container home," there's green roofs and solar panels and wind turbines...Yeah, it looks O.K.

However, I have one concern about this pack, one little gripe. From the looks of this initial trailer, it doesn't look like there was anything done to make playing with the world's polluted state as much fun as cleaning everything up. I saw no evidence of toxic waste/mutagenic ooze that could cause a sim to mutate or gain super powers, I saw no pollution-forged mutant monsters to have to deal with if you let the environment stay polluted or get worse. We saw plenty of Planeteers, but no evidence that we can also have a sim be Hoggish Greedly and jack the place up by polluting for profit...you know, a real antagonist for our eco-friendly sims to be able to push back against (a good role for a grown Malcolm Landgraab, actually...). The CAS offerings have a bit more edge to them than most other packs, but it doesn't look like there's much edge to the gameplay. No real potential for conflict or mayhem built into the pack's mechanics. It's just kind of After School Special/Commercial Break PSA environmentalism, and that's about it.

A new trailer or gameplay demo might prove me wrong, but from the initial trailer, it seems that there are a lot of lost opportunities with this pack. There's no real room (gameplay-wise) for an antagonist in this pack. There's no room for weirdness and freaky stuff happening. It's just a, "Hey, let's all reduce, reuse, recycle, upcycle, and clean energy our way to a sustainable future! Yay!" pack. And, yes, sustainable living is something we should all be aiming toward, but...I just wish this pack also had more of a dark/weird side to it too.
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Comments

  • Sk8rblazeSk8rblaze Posts: 7,307 Member
    edited May 9
    I agree, and it’s definitely why it almost feels like Maxis just wants their name in the media for doing a good thing.

    Climate change is very important, especially with some now coming out to deny it (lol). I think the caring for the environment is equally very important, but it’s just one of those things that I don’t feel like makes for a good game experience in The Sims as a stand-alone expansion. I feel like we’re being offered to buy a dirty town for $40 so we can spend our time virtually cleaning it up. Turbines and solar panels are cool, but my Sims have too much money saved up as it is, how much more money do I need to physically spend to ensure they get even more of it? It’s a very one-sided pack. I would’ve loved to have an evil Sim with his army of slimes wrecking havoc on all of my good Sim’s efforts to clean things up. That to me is wacky, classic Sim gameplay.

    IMHO, everything eco-living would have made an awesome side feature list to a pack with the greater theme of Sims changing every world around them in multiple ways (not just environmentally).
  • SquirrelTail15SquirrelTail15 Posts: 122 Member
    Honestly, forget cleaning stuff up; I would have just loved an apocalypse pack :D
    But I kinda do get what Maxis was going for here, and see why they wouldn't want to make the polluted world 'fun' to play.
    To all simmers out there in today's troubled world, keep safe and keep on simming.
    Great, I sound like an inspirational poster now. There's worse things.
  • Sigzy05Sigzy05 Posts: 18,838 Member
    edited May 9
    I think you'd like to play Fallout. It's not a lifesim, and has radiation ghouls and mutants.
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  • SimsLovinLycanSimsLovinLycan Posts: 1,687 Member
    Sigzy05 wrote: »
    I think you'd like to play Fallout. It's not a lifesim, and has radiation ghouls and mutants.

    Only problem is the newer Fallout games are Shooter-RPG hybrids and the older ones have a combat system that looks really clunky when I see it in gameplay and retrospective videos. With RPG combat systems, I prefer either a well-done hack-and-slash action-based system with no AI buddies or an old school JRPG turn-based system with maybe a few tweaks (a timing system or strategic field movement or combo attacks...little tweaks, not big revolutionary upheavals). Whenever I've played RPG's with combat that veers too far off from that, it just leaves me cold. (It's 80% of the reason I'm not into Kingdom Hearts, with the other 20% being the gummy ship sections in the first game. They're not hard, they're actually dirt-easy if you put a wall of guns on the front of the ship and hold down the shoot button...which is no fun at all...) I'm very picky when it comes to combat systems in RPG's, since battles are at least half the gameplay. The stories in the Fallout games look interesting to play through...but the combat doesn't look fun at all to me, in either of its forms.

    Back on topic, though...

    Mainly, I'm disappointed in the lack of mutants, monsters, and anti-environment baddies in this expansion because I grew up with a lot of 90's action cartoons...and their propensity to either give their characters powers through toxic waste/mutagens or have at least one episode involving someone or something getting mutated. I want to be able to put my sims through those sorts of plotlines too...but if the pack lacks that stuff, I am once again out of luck for content that corresponds to the stories I like to tell for yet another pack. Also, I loved Captain Planet growing up, and being able to make a sim who looks like Captain Planet, but no way in gameplay terms to actually have his antagonists active in the game doing their thing is heart-breaking. Do you know what Captain Planet would be like without those iconic villains? It would just be the Planeteers cleaning up the environment and clowning on Mati for having the lame power.

    ...But, I'm getting carried away now...
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  • Huiiie_07Huiiie_07 Posts: 1,196 Member
    Agreed, but this is TS4 we're talking about, the game in which nothing bad ever happens...
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  • nerdfashionnerdfashion Posts: 5,061 Member
    edited May 10
    The Nuclear mutations sound awesome, but you know how many people will call it "unrealistic" and shun the pack for it...
  • RaichisimsRaichisims Posts: 59 Member
    The Nuclear mutations sound awesome, but you know how many people will call it "unrealistic" and shun the pack for it...

    Let them shun, I'm pretty sure they are the minority, and the majority would enjoy a pack with a balancing game-play like good vs evil, it's such a good narrative that is always fun to play, but it seems there is lack of evil.

    I'm just going to go back to my tormented vampires who cry about drinking plasma from other sims, and have my evil sims go through all sorts of gameplay hoops to murder other sims (which can take 3 sim days or more and he can't even leave the venue or that sim will be no longer there yaaaaaawn......) and feel smug about it.
  • DragonCat159DragonCat159 Posts: 1,823 Member
    A new trailer or gameplay demo might prove me wrong, but from the initial trailer, it seems that there are a lot of lost opportunities with this pack.
    Just like with Get to Work, City Living, Cats&Dogs, island Living & Discover University. Pretty much 80% of what they had brought.
  • SERVERFRASERVERFRA Posts: 1,514 Member
    I so agree with Raichisims.
    We need a decent Good vs Bad &
    Heroes vs Villains in the game.
  • BabykittyjadeBabykittyjade Posts: 1,154 Member
    edited May 12
    I totally feel you. It's my only complaint with this pack. And biggest complaint with this game in general. I can't blame the game makers completely though. We are living in the "trigger culture" era.
    You mention the word virus now days TRIGGERED
    Break in TRIGGERED
    Alien invasion TRIGGERED
    This list is endless and the nerfing they did to the aliens and vampires are proof.

    This pack was perfect for that mutant as you say, crime, apocalypse, zombie, or any of those things pack. But nope. Go clean and be happy.

    I can only hope if ever get wearwolves and zombies they are done justice. The magic pack was a big Dissapointment for me as an occult lover. They don't feel like the backwoods witches I wanted. More like Harry Potter style humans with a bit of magic.

    Did you see what happened to even the repo man in university? I never even saw him and probably never will because that's how hard it is to get him to come.
    Zombies, oh please oh please give us zombies!! :'(
  • EvangelineEvangeline Posts: 56 Member
    @Babykittyjade same!! I agree with you, especially about the witches. I loved TS3's witches because of the apothecary/potion shop. Everything about the witches there was so much more fun to play with. I'm not into Harry Potter at all, but that's definitely one of the inspirations for ROM! Like the 'schools' of magic. But this could also be my love for TS3 talking! Nostalgia is powerful ahah.
  • GoldmoldarGoldmoldar Posts: 10,671 Member
    edited May 13
    The Nuclear mutations sound awesome, but you know how many people will call it "unrealistic" and shun the pack for it...

    How is an game with Vampires and Magic Casters realistic? Those parts are as unrealistic as Nuclear mutations.
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  • EA_RtasEA_Rtas Posts: 2,639 EA Moderator
    Let's leave out the "agenda" comments here, they're veering towards the political comment side of things, there's zero need for them and it's against the forum rules.
  • CinebarCinebar Posts: 31,598 Member
    It might have been more interesting if the townies of WC went over to any of the other worlds in EPs or the base and demanded those towns stop polluting and spreading it to WC. Setting up a virtual victory garden (vertical garden) in a common space or removing a great park to do that doesn't seem much fun to me, I must admit. Or as I said in another thread deciding to turn it into an outdoor art gallery type place doesn't sound like much fun. I could do all that in buildmode already.
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  • NorthDakotaGamerNorthDakotaGamer Posts: 2,063 Member
    edited May 16
    EA_Rtas wrote: »
    Let's leave out the "agenda" comments here, they're veering towards the political comment side of things, there's zero need for them and it's against the forum rules.

    Then maybe the devs should watch how they portray elements in the game. I got from them the pushing "something against the rules" vibe in the last trailer and via twitter.
  • catitude5catitude5 Posts: 2,479 Member
    It looks like you will constantly be cleaning up smog, dirt, trash, etc. That don't sound like fun at all.
  • NationalPokedexNationalPokedex Posts: 310 Member
    One thing that I hope doesn't happen is every Sim gets uncomfortable/tense when they're around the polluted, gross stuff. It will make it annoying to play in that kind of environment if every Sim is just complaining about it the entire time. It's currently how Off-the-Grid works (with the brackish water uncomfortable moodlets).
  • SERVERFRASERVERFRA Posts: 1,514 Member
    There's going to be a toggle to turn off pollution.
  • BabykittyjadeBabykittyjade Posts: 1,154 Member
    One thing that I hope doesn't happen is every Sim gets uncomfortable/tense when they're around the polluted, gross stuff. It will make it annoying to play in that kind of environment if every Sim is just complaining about it the entire time. It's currently how Off-the-Grid works (with the brackish water uncomfortable moodlets).

    I was a bit worried about this....
    Zombies, oh please oh please give us zombies!! :'(
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