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James turner (previously the sims supply) posted this video on his channel. I’m a huge advocate for sims 4 and I genuinely enjoy the game as a whole. I know he does as well, but he makes so really good points in this video. It’s ridiculous when bugs slip in to everyone’s game, to me this proves they aren’t doing as much play testing as they should. I don’t think they are doing it intentionally, I think they are rushed by EA and are forced to come out with the product in a certain time which cuts the amount of time needed for proper play testing.

But some of the quality cuts he mentioned are just weird. He makes a point about the new island living island counter being very poor quality. I didn’t know how bad it was until this video. It doesn’t match up properly with the already included counters, one swatch of the counter has no matching island swatch, and the waterfall edges of the island counters are very poorly done which is massively disappointing because that is my favorite part of these counters. It’s just weird that when asked about it from the game changers before IL released the devs said it was a tagging issue and that the island counters were made but weren’t showing up properly in the game. The amount of time it took for us to get them and the quality of them makes me think this just wasn’t true. They weren’t made initially so they took three months to make them and they still look rushed. Hopefully they fix this because it’s really sad.

Anyway I just wanted to post this to see what others thought about it. I agree with him a lot. I love the game, it’s one of my favorite versions but it’s hard to ignore the quality issues with the game when it comes to certain things. I think something needs to be addressed here for sure if they really plan on continuing the game for a few more years.


Comments

  • OldeseadoggeOldeseadogge Posts: 2,037 Member
    As someone who has spent several years in quality control, and studied it at the college level, I can say the video is right on! Every possible effort to ensure that items and features work and look as intended should be made before the product goes out the door. The 'rush job' is unacceptable and will sooner or later bite you where it hurts. The game abounds with examples, so it's obvious that someone doesn't care, which is sad. That modders, on their own time, can and do make it better (thanks, folks!) is a big 'for shame!' to EA.
  • ChazzzyChazzzy Posts: 4,465 Member
    Ok it’s time for them to merge these threads together. This is now the 3rd thread to discuss the same YouTube video
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  • Akl500PAkl500P Posts: 2,366 Member
    Chazzzy wrote: »
    Ok it’s time for them to merge these threads together. This is now the 3rd thread to discuss the same YouTube video

    There wasn’t another post on it when I made the topic. I just thought it was important to be seen and had some good points. They do need to be merged but I have a feeling it won’t be done till Monday.
  • Sigzy05Sigzy05 Posts: 18,197 Member
    edited September 8
    Wait so they broke columns and the new counter colors don't even match the old ones? Oh god......

    And let me guess, we'll have to wait until next year for them to fix it, if at all? Yeah, I'm not surprised.
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  • SimburianSimburian Posts: 4,753 Member
    He's a game changer. Shouldn't his first responsibility be to inform Maxis rather than his adoring public. What is the use of them unless they get the game early, check it for bugs before we get it. I've known of times when Maxis staff worked full out over a few days to get an early bug sorted. I suppose Maxis doesn't trust them enough.
  • TheIntrovertSimmerTheIntrovertSimmer Posts: 585 Member
    Simburian wrote: »
    He's a game changer. Shouldn't his first responsibility be to inform Maxis rather than his adoring public. What is the use of them unless they get the game early, check it for bugs before we get it. I've known of times when Maxis staff worked full out over a few days to get an early bug sorted. I suppose Maxis doesn't trust them enough.

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  • ChadSims2ChadSims2 Posts: 3,248 Member
    Sigzy05 wrote: »
    Wait so they broke columns and the new counter colors don't even match the new ones? Oh god......
    Its the quality one should expect from Sims 4.
    Sims 4 went from "You Rule" to "One of the stories we want you to tell"
  • Meegie1977Meegie1977 Posts: 222 Member
    Simburian wrote: »
    He's a game changer. Shouldn't his first responsibility be to inform Maxis rather than his adoring public. What is the use of them unless they get the game early, check it for bugs before we get it. I've known of times when Maxis staff worked full out over a few days to get an early bug sorted. I suppose Maxis doesn't trust them enough.

    He doesn't get patches early which is where the counter problem was released and he may have spoken directly to staff, just because he hasn't specifically said he has doesn't mean he doesn't pass feedback on directly. I don't see the problem with James sharing with his community, I've seen Lilsimsie do the same. I think nitpicking James is petty.
  • darrenfroggydarrenfroggy Posts: 1,278 Member
    Simburian wrote: »
    He's a game changer. Shouldn't his first responsibility be to inform Maxis rather than his adoring public. What is the use of them unless they get the game early, check it for bugs before we get it. I've known of times when Maxis staff worked full out over a few days to get an early bug sorted. I suppose Maxis doesn't trust them enough.

    Gamechangers were only recently criticised on this forum for NOT making videos like this. Unfortunately for a lot of people the lack of visible feedback means the GCs don't give Maxis feedback at all and only praise the game.
    (which is not true of any of those I've watched, none of them are blindly praising the entire game at all times).
    Their job is also not bug testing - that should be done before anyone outside of Maxis gets their hands on the game - but changing the game based on a) what they think needs to be done and b) what their viewers think needs to be done. So part of his responsibility is connection with the players who watch his channel.

    Attacking someone who doesn't actually work on the game is kinda pointless. And advocating for crunching to bugfix pre-release, really?

    The big issue is that there's a lack of quality testing at the appropriate time, one that leaves the developers space to fix bugs without panic.
  • SimburianSimburian Posts: 4,753 Member
    i am not really into game-changers anyway and if they have free flights to events etc., provided by the games manufacturers' games they are showing on their websites they should, in return, be provided with forms to fill in with bugs they note whilst playing. Do they get this anyway? I dont know. They use their status to profit them in the end when they attract subscribers and fame on YouTube etc., They do have some obligation and I can see why LGR wouldn't do this.

    I would have hoped that as they sign NDAs EA/Maxis could trust and pay some to do early bug testing as sometimes it needs an outside eye to detect things that programmers "cannot see for the trees", being too close.

  • SimTrippySimTrippy Posts: 5,680 Member
    edited September 8
    Simburian wrote: »
    i am not really into game-changers anyway and if they have free flights to events etc., provided by the games manufacturers' games they are showing on their websites they should, in return, be provided with forms to fill in with bugs they note whilst playing. Do they get this anyway? I dont know. They use their status to profit them in the end when they attract subscribers and fame on YouTube etc., They do have some obligation and I can see why LGR wouldn't do this.

    I would have hoped that as they sign NDAs EA/Maxis could trust and pay some to do early bug testing as sometimes it needs an outside eye to detect things that programmers "cannot see for the trees", being too close.

    I'm sorry but they don't work in QA. They're normal people like you and me who happen to have put a lot of work into making their channels and getting out regular, good quality content. YouTube isn't a carefree job, it's a very unstable environment and it takes a lot of work. People have to stop hating on them for actively working towards something, this didn't come for free.

    They get the game a few days early so that they can play it and tell us what's actually in the pack and whether they believe it's worth it - not to test bugs. And honestly, 3 days is less time than you might think to play the game, get a somewhat objective opinion on it, create good footage, write a coherent voiceover, and turn all of that into a decent, qualitative and informative video.

    These bugs should have been thoroughly tested and fixed before early access starts. That is the devs' job, not GC's job. They do give feedback, point out bugs and voice discontent over low quality materials all the time btw. I don't know why people think they don't. And considering his reach, it's actually a good thing he made this video, because it will garner more attention than you and me discussing it on the forums. Is he not "living up to his obligation" by doing that, if he has any obligation at all?
  • MidnightAuraMidnightAura Posts: 5,409 Member
    edited September 8
    Simburian wrote: »
    i am not really into game-changers anyway and if they have free flights to events etc., provided by the games manufacturers' games they are showing on their websites they should, in return, be provided with forms to fill in with bugs they note whilst playing. Do they get this anyway? I dont know. They use their status to profit them in the end when they attract subscribers and fame on YouTube etc., They do have some obligation and I can see why LGR wouldn't do this.

    I would have hoped that as they sign NDAs EA/Maxis could trust and pay some to do early bug testing as sometimes it needs an outside eye to detect things that programmers "cannot see for the trees", being too close.

    Game changers aren’t quality testers, they get the game free and early to allow them to make content and advertise for EA. I’m not a huge fan of the program myself but they don’t do testing.
    In the comments section on the video posted, someone said their Friend does do quality testing for EA and that they don’t get a lot of time and a lot of the reports they submit on bugs before a pack is released is ignored by EA.

    While it can be argued anyone can say they know someone with connections, looking at the state of the game recently and the bugs that are fixed, then break then fix then break, it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if it were true.
  • DianesimsDianesims Posts: 1,202 Member
    I think he's right and I appreciate his honest opinion, he has a platform as a Game Changer and is more likely to be heard so it's important they give that feedback.

    There still are a lot of things that need to be addressed, such as :

    - Restaurants where it takes the whole day to eat -if your sims is even served-.
    - Get Bugs To Work (The Detective career is very buggy)
    - Dog walks that require for your sim to take the day off to complete.
    - Moschino Bugspack (game freezing while taking a pic, sims not coming to pose)
    - Lagging, routing issues.

    Etc....
  • SimTrippySimTrippy Posts: 5,680 Member
    Dianesims wrote: »
    I think he's right and I appreciate his honest opinion, he has a platform as a Game Changer and is more likely to be heard so it's important they give that feedback.

    There still are a lot of things that need to be addressed, such as :

    - Restaurants where it takes the whole day to eat -if your sims is even served-.
    - Get Bugs To Work (The Detective career is very buggy)
    - Dog walks that require for your sim to take the day off to complete.
    - Moschino Bugspack (game freezing while taking a pic, sims not coming to pose)
    - Lagging, routing issues.

    Etc....

    It's very unfortunate people are having so many issues with DO. I use it all the time and it works pretty well, dinners take a fairly normal amount of time. I wish others had the same experience, and I keep wondering what may be causing it :/
  • MidnightAuraMidnightAura Posts: 5,409 Member
    Dianesims wrote: »
    I think he's right and I appreciate his honest opinion, he has a platform as a Game Changer and is more likely to be heard so it's important they give that feedback.

    There still are a lot of things that need to be addressed, such as :

    - Restaurants where it takes the whole day to eat -if your sims is even served-.
    - Get Bugs To Work (The Detective career is very buggy)
    - Dog walks that require for your sim to take the day off to complete.
    - Moschino Bugspack (game freezing while taking a pic, sims not coming to pose)
    - Lagging, routing issues.

    Etc....

    I don’t play that often but I do know when I turned my game on yesterday the restaurants taking a day to serve sims and dog walking seems to be improved? Dine out is still buggy and there appears to be simulation lag there that wasn’t there pre the patch last week (I reported it to SG Nick who says they will investigate) but sims could eat quite quickly.
  • Jordan061102Jordan061102 Posts: 3,413 Member
    Yeah I made a thread about it lol.
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  • izecsonizecson Posts: 1,104 Member
    if the statement about island counter were being made but untagged is true, someone would have find it and tag it themselves in the sims 4 studio.
  • CynnaCynna Posts: 1,925 Member

    Game changers aren’t quality testers, they get the game free and early to allow them to make content and advertise for EA. I’m not a huge fan of the program myself but they don’t do testing.
    In the comments section on the video posted, someone said their Friend does do quality testing for EA and that they don’t get a lot of time and a lot of the reports they submit on bugs before a pack is released is ignored by EA.

    While it can be argued anyone can say they know someone with connections, looking at the state of the game recently and the bugs that are fixed, then break then fix then break, it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if it were true.

    This is the problem that I have with the whole "Game Changers" title. What do they change, exactly? From what I understand they have no input on the game. Once they're let in on the process for a pack, the pack is weeks from release and all but set in stone. So the title is a misnomer. The only change that I see Game Changers making is possibly increased sales for EA. Some of them have a real talent for making the game seem much more interesting than it really is.
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  • MidnightAuraMidnightAura Posts: 5,409 Member
    Cynna wrote: »

    Game changers aren’t quality testers, they get the game free and early to allow them to make content and advertise for EA. I’m not a huge fan of the program myself but they don’t do testing.
    In the comments section on the video posted, someone said their Friend does do quality testing for EA and that they don’t get a lot of time and a lot of the reports they submit on bugs before a pack is released is ignored by EA.

    While it can be argued anyone can say they know someone with connections, looking at the state of the game recently and the bugs that are fixed, then break then fix then break, it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if it were true.

    This is the problem that I have with the whole "Game Changers" title. What do they change, exactly? From what I understand they have no input on the game. Once they're let in on the process for a pack, the pack is weeks from release and all but set in stone. So the title is a misnomer. The only change that I see Game Changers making is possibly increased sales for EA. Some of them have a real talent for making the game seem much more interesting than it really is.


    I agree. Mods help with that.😉

    Some game changers get flown to the studios for meetings. It was on one of those meetings that Deligracy requested either a white or dark coloured door (she tweeted about it as she left the devs a message) and what do you know? A few months later we get door swatches. That being said, I have a friend in the programme and she does not get that opportunity nor does she get invites to events. As far as I can see it’s free advertisement for EA and increased views for the influencer so it’s a win win for everyone.
  • DianesimsDianesims Posts: 1,202 Member
    Did anyone else notice during the live stream that the ROM kitchen counters don’t have matching cabinets ? Why do they make counters without matching cabinets ?!
  • XxAirixXXxAirixX Posts: 2,330 Member
    No thanks. Opinions are just that, opinions (I feel most things are really nit picky. Counters looked fine in my game, no different then others). If they have actual issues, they need to bring it up to EA, not us. If they are game changers, why don't they do something to make actual changes? They get free stuff and special privileges then the rest of us do but for what? They don't pre-test things or give feedback beforehand to help avoid issues when released or suggest new ideas or features to EA itself in meetings.
  • CK213CK213 Posts: 18,200 Member
    Cynna wrote: »

    Game changers aren’t quality testers, they get the game free and early to allow them to make content and advertise for EA. I’m not a huge fan of the program myself but they don’t do testing.
    In the comments section on the video posted, someone said their Friend does do quality testing for EA and that they don’t get a lot of time and a lot of the reports they submit on bugs before a pack is released is ignored by EA.

    While it can be argued anyone can say they know someone with connections, looking at the state of the game recently and the bugs that are fixed, then break then fix then break, it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if it were true.

    This is the problem that I have with the whole "Game Changers" title. What do they change, exactly? From what I understand they have no input on the game. Once they're let in on the process for a pack, the pack is weeks from release and all but set in stone. So the title is a misnomer. The only change that I see Game Changers making is possibly increased sales for EA. Some of them have a real talent for making the game seem much more interesting than it really is.

    Yeah, game changers for EA, not us.
    I've always thought them as an extension of marketing for EA. They broaden the reach and pump up the sales.

    A game changer to me would be brought in at the end of the alpha and beta phases, and to do some play-testing, to give their opinion on how the game is shaping up. Time would then be given to implement "changes" to improve the game.
    That's a game changer to me.
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  • Evil_OneEvil_One Posts: 4,407 Member
    edited September 9
    CK213 wrote: »
    Yeah, game changers for EA, not us.
    I've always thought them as an extension of marketing for EA. They broaden the reach and pump up the sales.

    I was going to post this until I noticed your post.

    But yeah, game changers are from the EA perspective, it allows them a more 'personal' approach to marketing the game the 'Hey (s)he's a gamer, just like me' concept, instead of their usual (and usually poor quality) Dev playthroughs.

    Pretty shallow really. But, well... EA.

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  • Dglbr1969Dglbr1969 Posts: 846 Member
    I watched a video of him building a house with SimGuruRomeo, and all he did was whine and everytime SGR went to do something on the house, that James Turner told him no, I would normally do this, this and this ..... If i was SimGuruRomeo, I wouldn't have bothered to turn up, I felt sorry for him. Granted he did learn some things builders are having to deal with, it just seemed very rude, so I won't watch James Turner again.
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  • SimburianSimburian Posts: 4,753 Member
    I think there should be a time limit for game-changers as they tend to branch off after a while when they have had help from a game to get enough followers to start making a living from Youtube and streaming.

    When they start advertising and streaming other games, maybe it's time they break their ties with EA and carry on like LGR with no commitments.

    I'm sure some fresh Simmers would like the free flights, previews of upcoming games and early access to fresh packs. The flights might equal some Simmers monthly pay.
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