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[BETA] The Sims 4 History Challenge (2.0)

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SnowieSnowie Posts: 433 Member
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Introduction
The Sims 4 History Challenge is a Legacy-style challenge that takes you and your Sims on a journey through history. You’ll start in the Stone Age, and progress all the way to Modern Day. Each Era is designed to be unique and provide a different experience from the Era before it, while still maintaining historic accuracy. You’ll be restricted on what objects, careers, and aspirations you can have, but will unlock more options as you play. While these restrictions will force you to adhere to the struggles of that Era, there are also unique goals that will encourage you to experience life in that time period.

This challenge was originally created by Cloudseeker, and inspired by the Through History Legacy Challenge for the Sims 3, as well as the Legacy challenge. Credit and thanks to Cassalina, Pinstar, and ImaginingMystic for the inspiration behind the challenge, and a huge thanks to Cloudseeker for creating the original History Challenge for the Sims 4. While the challenge may have changed with time from what he originally created, it wouldn’t be here if he hadn’t laid the foundation for such a unique and intriguing challenge.

Credit also goes to Cloudseeker for the images used in this section. Enjoy!


Well, now that that's out of the way... Hi! I'm Snowie, the lead maintainer for this challenge. Yes, you read that correctly, I'm not the original creator of the History Challenge. The original creator, Cloudseeker, has given me his blessing to keep this challenge alive--you can check out his notes on the subject in the original History Challenge thread here. I've been updating this challenge from his original template for the last two years now, and decided it was time to take a second look at everything and rebuild it from the ground up--which is exactly what I've done!

The reason this challenge is still flagged as Beta is because there hasn't been enough feedback on the long-term goals of the challenge, as it is a rather long one. The length of the challenge is also why I won't be posting all the rules, goals, etc. on this thread. Please check out the Google Document here to read through everything about the challenge. I do apologize for any inconvenience that not posting the entirety of that document's contents on the forums may cause, but the challenge is much clearer and easier to understand in the format that I designed it for.

There are some challenge-wide goals that you'll be shooting for in this challenge, as well as a smaller set of goals for each generation. There are two difficulties; Casual and Historian, as well as an Enduring Eras mode that will make the challenge longer and slower paced. Check out the "Eras" and "Challenge-Wide Goals" sections for an explanation on how those work. Since there's a lot to track, I've made a scoresheet that will allow you to keep track of your progress on all the goals, as well as a family tree to record your Sims through the generations! Please follow the instructions on how to make a copy of this scoresheet for yourself, as the link will take you to the read-only master copy.

This post is long enough already, so I'll leave it at that! Links to the challenge and scoresheet are below, as well as the change log. Happy Simming!

History Challenge Google Doc
History Challenge Scoresheets

Oh, and there's now a Discord server for this challenge! If you want, you can come hang out. We have channels for suggestions, questions, CC and more! :)
Discord Link

Change Log 11/21/19
General Updates
  • The goal to catch an anglerfish worth $1,500 Simoleons in the Stone Age has been changed to “Catch an anglerfish” for casual, and “Catch an anglerfish worth at least $150” for historian.
    This is just fixing the goal for the fishing update they made to the game, which made the fish worth less money. Huge thanks to everyone who pointed this problem out to me, and I’m sorry for not fixing it sooner!
  • Added notes on the UFO plant in the Stone Age and Middle Ages.
    These two generations had goals pertaining to completing the gardening collection, and the UFO plant (while part of the collection in-game) was only obtainable through the rocket science skill.
  • Added (and will add more) suggested packs to certain Eras.
    I hope to add suggested packs for all of the Eras, so that people not playing with CC know what packs synergize well with each Era.
  • Removed the specific allowance of same-sex marriages in the Modern Day, because they were technically always allowed after Early Civilization.
    This was just an old bit of the challenge that needed cleaned up, sorry about that!
  • Changed the Modern Day goal skills from Programming, Rocket Science, and Logic to Programming, Rocket Science, and Video Gaming.
    I don’t really know what happened there, but it was always intended to be video gaming and not logic.
  • Edited the suggested restrictions for cheating wives.
    Cheating wives are now still punished for their adultery for an extra generation, but to a lesser extent starting in the Great Sim Frontier.
    ❤️❤️❤️❤️ suggestions are unchanged.
  • Changed the Great Sim Frontier goal skills from Charisma, Writing, and Guitar to Mixology, Writing, and Guitar.
  • Added suggestions on how other Sims handle occult Sims in the Middle Ages through the Industrial Age.
    BURN THE WITCH!!
    -- Sorry, what?
    In the Middle Ages and Renaissance, occult Sims are suggested to kill Sims not from the household who witness them as an occult, doing occult things, or having occult stuff.
    In the Great Sim Frontier and Industrial Age, occult Sims are suggested to make these witnesses despise them, but aren’t required to kill them anymore.
Moschino Stuff Support
The items added in this pack are mostly covered by other categories, so the only real support this needed was the Fashion Photographer career, which is allowed in the Great Sim Frontier and onward.

Realm of Magic Support
I did warn you that I’m a sucker for occults, didn’t I?
  • Your Ancestors can be Spellcasters, and you may play as Spellcasters throughout the challenge.
  • You may not visit the Magic Realm until the Renaissance.
    This means you cannot make new Spellcasters through the rite of ascension until this time, or learn the master spells until this generation.
  • Use Herbio to spawn the Magic Realm-exclusive plants for potions (mandrake and valerian root).
  • Sims that are born as Spellcasters do not need the rite of ascension, and will automatically get access to their powers when they become teenagers. This means that until the Renaissance, the only way to be a Spellcaster is to be born as one!
  • You can practice magic and experiment with the cauldron to gain levels and learn new spells without the Sages.
  • The new aspirations (Spellcraft and Sorcery, and Purveyor of Potions) are allowed starting in the Renaissance and onward.
  • Cauldrons are allowed in Early Civilization and onward.

Discover University Support
  • Sims may not visit or live in Britechester until the Industrial Age. However…
  • Sims may attend University starting in the Great Sim Frontier and onward.
    This means that Sims in your household can attend University, but can’t be on campus. Since all classes are rabbit-holes, they’ll simply go to classes from their home lot.
    You can apply for scholarships and Universities through the mailbox, as well as the typewriter (computer) that is allowed in this era.
  • Sims may join the Law career (both branches) starting in the Great Sim Frontier and onward.
  • Sims may join the Education career (both branches) starting in the Renaissance and onward.
  • Sims may not join the Engineering career (either branch) until the Modern Day.
  • Sims may have the Academic aspiration starting in the Roaring 20’s and onward.
  • You may not have roommates until the Modern Day.
  • If you choose to send a household Sim to live in University Housing, you must consider any Sims not currently in the household you are actively playing to be moved out, and therefore cannot move back in or contribute to goals.
  • For example, if you send a Sim to live in the University dorms and play as that Sim, they are now the only Sim able to contribute to goals of the challenge. The rest of the family is now considered to be “moved out”. Alternatively, if you send a Sim to the dorms and don’t play as them, they are considered to be “moved out” and the rest of the family can complete goals and progress the challenge.
  • Essentially, it isn’t advised to move into University Housing, but you can do it if you want to.
  • Soccer Balls are allowed in the Stone Age and onward.
  • Debate Podiums are allowed in the Renaissance and onward.
  • Bicycles are allowed in the Great Sim Frontier and onward.
  • Ping-Pong tables and Juice Kegs are allowed in the Industrial Age and onward.
  • The Research Machine is allowed in the Roaring 20’s and onward.
  • The Robotics Table is allowed in the Modern Day.
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Comments

  • MadameLeeMadameLee Posts: 31,825 Member
    @Snowie just so you know there's talk that the patch tomorrow is going to allow for traits to be randomise (finally!)
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  • MikkinessMikkiness Posts: 131 Member
    Out of curiosity what's the best way to track money earned per era?
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  • SnowieSnowie Posts: 433 Member
    edited June 2019
    MadameLee wrote: »
    @Snowie just so you know there's talk that the patch tomorrow is going to allow for traits to be randomise (finally!)
    Yep! I did know about that. Unfortunately, you can only randomize them in CAS, not in the screen when kids are aging up. In any case, the rule that made you randomize all your traits is now removed. :smile:
    Edit: I was wrong! It appears they did add it for the aging up screens as well.
    Mikkiness wrote: »
    Out of curiosity what's the best way to track money earned per era?
    In the scoresheets, I have a little calculator set up. Basically you want to track your net worth at the beginning of one era, and subtract that from your net worth at the beginning of the next era.
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  • DebraF63DebraF63 Posts: 225 Member
    Thank you @Snowie this is greatly appreciated.
  • MikkinessMikkiness Posts: 131 Member
    Cheers, @Snowie - that'll do the job nicely :)
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  • EdieArcherEdieArcher Posts: 3 New Member
    I have a question regarding the marriage restrictions of each Era. Since the Early Civilisation Era begins when the Ancestors' grandchild is born, but marriage is forbidden as part of the Prehistoric Times Era, wouldn't the grandchild's birth violate the marriage restriction of the Early Civilisation Era as their parents weren't married when the Early Civilisation Era began?
    In essence, when does the marriage restrictions rule begin? Does it apply to the Prehistoric Times parent the moment their child is born, or does it only apply to those born during the Early Civilisation Era? (I'm only using these two Eras as that's the farthest I've gotten.) In the former case, we've got a rule violation, in the latter case we've got a Prehistoric Times rule applying to Sims during the Early Civilisation.
  • SnowieSnowie Posts: 433 Member
    EdieArcher wrote: »
    I have a question regarding the marriage restrictions of each Era. Since the Early Civilisation Era begins when the Ancestors' grandchild is born, but marriage is forbidden as part of the Prehistoric Times Era, wouldn't the grandchild's birth violate the marriage restriction of the Early Civilisation Era as their parents weren't married when the Early Civilisation Era began?
    In essence, when does the marriage restrictions rule begin? Does it apply to the Prehistoric Times parent the moment their child is born, or does it only apply to those born during the Early Civilisation Era? (I'm only using these two Eras as that's the farthest I've gotten.) In the former case, we've got a rule violation, in the latter case we've got a Prehistoric Times rule applying to Sims during the Early Civilisation.

    At least the way I've always played it, my Ancestors are mates--meaning they're just as devoted to each other as spouses would be, but have no concept of a legally binding union. Their kids, however, would be growing up in the end of the stone age while living their adult lives in early civilization. I usually will marry my gen 1 heir and mate (the ones who have the baby that brings about the new era) at some point after the new era starts. If I'm feeling like it, I'll marry my Ancestors as well, but at that point they probably don't have all that much longer to live anyway.

    Since there are no hard and fast rules saying that parents HAVE to be married before having kids, there's no real rule violation here. And even if you were applying a suggested rule for cheating women/❤️❤️❤️❤️ children, these kids wouldn't really be falling under those rules since they were technically born in a different time, with different rules.

    Interesting thoughts, though!
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  • MadameLeeMadameLee Posts: 31,825 Member
    @Snowie according to the patches note the randomise for the traits is also in the "Live Mode Age-Up Molecule"
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  • RainbowIslandRainbowIsland Posts: 20 Member
    There is this new off-the-grid lot trait coming up with the latest patch. Might be quite interesting for this kind of challenge.
  • lataya24lataya24 Posts: 328 Member
    one thing I thought would be added too early civilization is tea and coffee and wine and beer all these were invented by early civilization.
  • ashlynette92ashlynette92 Posts: 13 New Member
    I love this update @Snowie !!!!! I was wondering if you or anyone has any good cc ideas for the new era/the Renaissance.! Any Baroque and Elizabethan cc or what that would look like!
  • EdieArcherEdieArcher Posts: 3 New Member
    So upon reaching a new Era, the previous rules are disregarded in favour of the new Era. Okay, that makes sense. What about the Era goals, though? Do we have to complete them within the Era they're created in (like having kids with different mates in the Prehistoric Era), or can it be completed by anyone who was born in that Era even if it moves onto a new one? (E.g. the Ancestors can complete the 'have kids with five people' goal in the Early Civilisation Era.)
  • SnowieSnowie Posts: 433 Member
    EdieArcher wrote: »
    So upon reaching a new Era, the previous rules are disregarded in favour of the new Era. Okay, that makes sense. What about the Era goals, though? Do we have to complete them within the Era they're created in (like having kids with different mates in the Prehistoric Era), or can it be completed by anyone who was born in that Era even if it moves onto a new one? (E.g. the Ancestors can complete the 'have kids with five people' goal in the Early Civilisation Era.)
    As it says in the Era section, the Era goals can only be completed while that Era is active. (Did I say "Era" enough times?)
    There is this new off-the-grid lot trait coming up with the latest patch. Might be quite interesting for this kind of challenge.
    I did know this lot trait was coming, but decided not to require it for the challenge. Partially because I wasn't sure what items it would effect, but also because it didn't seem necessary to add a rule for it. I'm sure it will work great with the first few Eras, and people are more than welcome to use it if they want to!
    lataya24 wrote: »
    one thing I thought would be added too early civilization is tea and coffee and wine and beer all these were invented by early civilization.
    While you are correct, the in-game ways of making these drinks are all very high-tech and would overall be more immersion breaking if I were to put them into Early Civ. If we had a way to grind our own tea leaves and boil water on a grill, for example, that would be much more realistic to the challenge.
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  • mego2708mego2708 Posts: 1 New Member
    Thanks for all the work you did to update this! I started last night and I’m really excited to play through the different eras.
  • IllusoryThrallIllusoryThrall Posts: 1,121 Member
    Looking forward to starting my very own History Challenge when Island Living launches. I tried it once before.. but it was right after Cats and Dogs released and I went WAY overboard on the pets and "failed" the challenge. Just couldn't get past the first generation. Lesson learned. :wink: However, I think the Sulani world will be perfect for starting this challenge.. now I just have to wait until it launches. Time passes so slow when you're really looking forward to something!
  • EdieArcherEdieArcher Posts: 3 New Member
    I just want to point out, I'm not sure whether it really matters or not, but women in ancient Rome could divorce their husbands (I'm not sure about ancient Greece or Egypt) and even though they weren't common, divorces did occur in the medieval era. Also, apparently there was a case where two men got married in Spain during the 1600s (I think), but this was probably a outlier in a ❤️❤️❤️❤️ society. I just wanted to point this out for anyone who may be starting their challenges soon. It provides for some entertaining storytelling.
  • MadameLeeMadameLee Posts: 31,825 Member
    EdieArcher wrote: »
    I just want to point out, I'm not sure whether it really matters or not, but women in ancient Rome could divorce their husbands (I'm not sure about ancient Greece or Egypt) and even though they weren't common, divorces did occur in the medieval era. Also, apparently there was a case where two men got married in Spain during the 1600s (I think), but this was probably a outlier in a plum society. I just wanted to point this out for anyone who may be starting their challenges soon. It provides for some entertaining storytelling.

    can't answer about Roman, Greece, or Egypt but in Medvial Times-turn of the 18th century it would be really difficult in a place like Britain to get a divorce. The 1600s being the 17th century would be consider the end of the Renaissance which begin in the 14th century (1300s) so not "Medvial Times" being from 5th (400s) to the 15th (1400s).
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  • lataya24lataya24 Posts: 328 Member
    my sim laugh her self to death and then her mate was sad to death then my baby was taken i really can not have a success family. even in sims 3 my family died out first generation.
  • SnowieSnowie Posts: 433 Member
    lataya24 wrote: »
    my sim laugh her self to death and then her mate was sad to death then my baby was taken i really can not have a success family. even in sims 3 my family died out first generation.

    Lol, sometimes these things happen! Give it another try :smile:
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  • AshubiiAshubii Posts: 761 Member
    EdieArcher wrote: »
    I just want to point out, I'm not sure whether it really matters or not, but women in ancient Rome could divorce their husbands (I'm not sure about ancient Greece or Egypt) and even though they weren't common, divorces did occur in the medieval era. Also, apparently there was a case where two men got married in Spain during the 1600s (I think), but this was probably a outlier in a plum society. I just wanted to point this out for anyone who may be starting their challenges soon. It provides for some entertaining storytelling.

    Women could also divorce their husbands in Ancient Greece, but at one point they required permission from the government first (men did not). That rule changed eventually, but I'm not sure when. I've also read that in the case of a divorce, the children would generally remain with their father. I'm not sure on the accuracy of this, but I can imagine if true that would make some women less inclined to divorce their husbands. You're very right that this makes for good storytelling!
  • AshubiiAshubii Posts: 761 Member
    I just started this after wanting to for a very long time! I'm excited to see where it goes (: I am changing some of the historical eras to better suit my story, however. I'm not sure how I'll work some of the era-specific goals, but that'll be a fun personal challenge to figure out
    :p
  • lataya24lataya24 Posts: 328 Member
    starting in the island with the volcano is the best place bc the waterfall u can shower in it without having to leave the lot.
  • SnowieSnowie Posts: 433 Member
    lataya24 wrote: »
    starting in the island with the volcano is the best place bc the waterfall u can shower in it without having to leave the lot.

    Yep! That's why I listed it as a recommended starting spot. I'm not sure if toddlers can get hygiene from it though, let me know if/when you find out!
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  • lataya24lataya24 Posts: 328 Member
    well the volcano pit is way better then the campfire no auto marshmallow so i using that and grill and bonfire easy to make a feast for the family but question can we use kava pot.
  • SnowieSnowie Posts: 433 Member
    lataya24 wrote: »
    well the volcano pit is way better then the campfire no auto marshmallow so i using that and grill and bonfire easy to make a feast for the family but question can we use kava pot.

    I'm planning on adding the kava bowl along with some other items added to the pack in the next update to the challenge, but I was planning to allow the use of the kava bowl either throughout the challenge or starting in early civ. The only catch is that it requires counters, which aren't overly stone age friendly.
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