I agree that with each future iteration it should offer something better than the last. While sims 4 isn't open world it is way better graphically than 3 in my opinion (as we are commenting on our opinions here). And i'm not sure I understand exactly what it is you're looking for in this game other than for more of it to be open-ended, which by definition means having no determined limit or boundary. And if that's the case I don't think technology has reached that level even with the newest and greatest computer out on the market. Eventually I do think technology will get there but it just isn't right there now and may not be at that level when a Sims 5 (or even if a Sims 5) will come. As of right now I've had to replace my desktop about every 4 years to keep up with the latest and that's with upgrading over the years so yes, I will upgrade my computer if the game requires it but I'll do it when i'm financially able to and not when a new game that I want to play comes out. Till then i'll just keep playing what I currently have as I enjoy it just the way it is.
Personally I'm not even thinking of Sims 5. Still enjoying what we can do in this game. If I get frustrated with it then I just go play something else till I want to play the Sims again. And I do consider myself to be a long time patron of the game who I can assure you has spent way more than $1000 on it's entirety as I've been playing since summer of 2000.
Sims 4 has a lot of limitations and features it lacks. There is a LOT to look for from this game. You talk as if there is no way the sims series can be different, bigger better. But there are many , many , many ways. And I would have preferred if they kept the same lean towards realism in Sims 4 that they had with Sims 3 and sims Medieval. It would have been very much welcomed.
"Let Our Hearts And Hands Be Streched Out In Compassion Toward Others."
Even if you want to claim that you dont want The Sims to be just like real life, thats cool and that isnt the point. That isnt really the argument im making here either. Its about just how little effort has been made to actually make the games an immersive and fun experience. In sims 3 there were imaginary movie theaters. And our sims would disappear inside to have popcorn and watch movies on the big screen while you waited outside. And Imaginary diners where sims would teleport to their booths and have all this pretend food and you would imagine them being inside and having this great time.There were also Imaginary spas, where your sims would go to treat themselves to saunas and back rubs, but you couldnt get a peek inside. And make believe sports arenas where sims sat back with hot dogs and refreshments and watched games you could never see. And even imaginary tombs at the graveyard where sims would go inside and become spooked by something scary. But you had to imagine what it might be.
I think that so far, the sims games have failed to be proper life simulations at all. And if Sims 5 is more of the same, what is the incentive to shell out the money for it? After I have already invested literally hundreds of dollars on Sims 4 and if you combine Sims 1,2,3 and 4 over the years thats well over $1000 of content just to be able to do the same stunted imaginary play in each new game.
I get what you're saying, but I don't think any game studio can achieve every imaginable life scenario or venue or object simulated into a game. Which is why The sims has little to no competition. It's incredibly difficult to program all these things and have a game still be stable to simulate it all. And then you have to focus on what's actually interesting, which isn't just watching your sims eat or watching a movie at the theatre, because these things can get boring, fast.
The 5th generation of sims should focus on a stable open world that loads intelligently and runs on a good engine, this will define the whole game. Being able to live in apartments on a busy street with cafes and stores on the ground floor, and being able to visit friends and family easily by just walking over to their houses, that would be great. Also, I'd like them to take objects from TS4 and TS3 instead of remaking everything from scratch all over again.
But I wouldn't mind rabbit holes for things like school and work,spas and theatres and grocery stores and libraries, since I don't think following sims there is that great and is very short-lived.
You're entitled to think that. But for me personally, the closed off rabbit hole deal gives the game a very fake, children's game feel to me. Sims 4 while enjoyable for me, gives me that feel too. And I would like a more mature game.
Not sure where you got "every imaginable life scenario" from but thats interesting i guess. I just dont want things to be closed off activities. This "but its just a game" stuff doesnt work for me, if it's that meaningless , I would just not play it. That mindset is why we have rabbit hole snorkeling or diving with Island Living, when Sims 3 had more REALISTIC diving.The game gets cut down and its not right imo.
Why is it that Sims 2 was an advancement over sims 1, sims 3 GREATLY advanced over sims 2 and yet for some reason a few of you dont understand why the game should advance from pretend, immersion ruining rabbit holes? Sims 5 having a bunch of closed off scenarios is not a proper simulation .
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I probably won't be buying sims 5, if the game is ever made, I'm not convinced it will be though I am not convinced that it won't one day either.
However there are a few things that might make it tempting to me at least on sale.
1. Parenthood type traits already in the base game
2. Seasons in the base game
3. Open world but able to still run on lower end computers
4. Cartoony style
5. Free babies
6. Preschoolers, preteens, middle agers OR gradual aging where your sim hits every age 1,2,3,4 and gradually looks a bit older with diff activities locking./unlocking at certain ages
7. Toggle off for features like celebs, occult, strangerville style stories
8. Toggle off for build and CAS you'd never use
9. Still have the gallery
10. Small rework of traits /moodlet but not a full overhaul.
11. Story progression that you can control the amount of or flag certain sims it won't affect
12. Better family relationships and non mutual relationships.
13. More hobbies
14. Follow kids to school
Even if you want to claim that you dont want The Sims to be just like real life, thats cool and that isnt the point. That isnt really the argument im making here either. Its about just how little effort has been made to actually make the games an immersive and fun experience. In sims 3 there were imaginary movie theaters. And our sims would disappear inside to have popcorn and watch movies on the big screen while you waited outside. And Imaginary diners where sims would teleport to their booths and have all this pretend food and you would imagine them being inside and having this great time.There were also Imaginary spas, where your sims would go to treat themselves to saunas and back rubs, but you couldnt get a peek inside. And make believe sports arenas where sims sat back with hot dogs and refreshments and watched games you could never see. And even imaginary tombs at the graveyard where sims would go inside and become spooked by something scary. But you had to imagine what it might be.
I think that so far, the sims games have failed to be proper life simulations at all. And if Sims 5 is more of the same, what is the incentive to shell out the money for it? After I have already invested literally hundreds of dollars on Sims 4 and if you combine Sims 1,2,3 and 4 over the years thats well over $1000 of content just to be able to do the same stunted imaginary play in each new game.
Rabbit holes, should be optional, for those who want less .But those of us who dont want to imagine and pretend our way through a game that calls itself a life simulation, we should have the chance to play a game where all of the activities can be actively participated with by the player. And OPEN to us. In sims 4 it has been announced that one of the new water activities it just a rabbit hole. Why is it that we are still being forced to play in such a closed off manner? You have those who dont mind rabbit holes and thats okay. But what if I dont want just another building shell to run off too. It should not be on me the player, to imagine things. I dont want that, I want to be a part of the gameplay.
I need more for Sims 5 in order for me to actually buy it, because im not buying a 5th title for the same tired and rehashed experience. There is honestly no reason to even create a new title , if you're not going to innovate and expand to new heights you've never before reached. Us original simmers are getting older now. Sims 5 should be a new sims experience.Allow us to have more openness and more gameplay abilities than we ever had before.
I love your opening post on this thread! I want the same things as you do! I would love an optimized open world (and I do have faith that the devs can make it so since they had previous experience from TS3) and for everything to be an active lot, but with the option of making it a rabbit hole if I want a break.
I do want to point out though that yes, when TS3 was first released, there was a bunch of rabbit holes. But over the course of its run, EAxis did release items in EPs and from the Sims 3 Store that converted a lot of the rabbit holes into active lots.
They released venues of active versions of rabbit holes:
The other venues also add other types of active lots that didn't have a corresponding rabbit hole such as a farm, various amusement parks, open air street market, casino, arcade, etc.
EPs:
World Adventures - provided three kinds of cash registers to sell books, food and relics. That way you can create active bookstores, grocery store and souvenir store (for the museum).
Ambitions and Supernatural - provided consignment cash registers to create active crafting stores, both regular and occult
Seasons - provided a lot of stuff for various kinds of activities for fairs and carnivals. Also lots of sports stuff.
Island Paradise - provides the ability to create and run a resort/hotel/bed & breakfast
University - provided more items for active coffee houses, bakeries, podium for classrooms and offices, etc. Lots of items that can be placed in active career lots.
Into the Future - provided the replicating food replicator (and there is also drink version but I can't remember the name). You can use them at home, but did you know that if you put them in a community lot, it will hire an NPC to serve food and drinks? So this is another item you can use to make active lot restaurants. There's also another cash register that sells the new technology parts if you wanted to build an active hi-tech store.
For the stadium, I can understand why the devs didn't make an active version - that would require a lot of sims since most stadium sports are team sports. They did add sports items in Seasons, and that can be added to school and college active lots.
There are mods also that provide even more abilities to make active lots, but I'm mentioning all these things that the devs made to show that they were mindful of the things people complained about when the TS3 base game came out, and that they actually made a great amount of effort to add the ability to make active versions of the rabbit holes. That is not mentioned enough (I guess because people don't want others to buy TS3 over TS4 during TS4's run) and makes a lot of people think that the Maxis devs have never addressed these things.
So @EnjoyfulSimmer I wanted to point that out and show that the devs did answer those complaints to some great extent by adding items in subsequent packs to convert rabbit holes to active lots. So for me, I'm hopeful that they will do the same in TS5.
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In terms of active careers, I really want them to take a look at Zerbu's Ultimate Careers mod for TS3. That mod is absolutely BRILLIANT. You create an workplace lot. Fill it up with all the skill-building items for that career. Designate it as the working site for a career and voila! The next day, all the sims that are in that profession will work there! It's awesome because the sims are using the actual work hours to build their skills and build real friendships with their co-workers. That frees up the sims' hours after work to do whatever else! Also, if you get tired of following your sims to work and need a break, you can just send them to their rabbitholes! You can also designate your own home so you can work from home and send everyone else to the other work site or rabbit hole too! So I'm hoping they really add this functionality in. I love it so much!
I don’t have a weak computer it runs games I’m interested in fine. There is a line between realistic and cartoony. So you are saying you want to look st sims that look like Battlefront people that show the age and all the things that come with life? This game is an escape for most people from life making them as realistic as possible to look like actual people isn’t a game I want to use for escaping from life. Yes I want the game to improve but not in the way you want. I use the game as my platform for being creative and telling stories and just getting lost in my sims lives for awhile because it’s not life it’s a game. Also your attitude towards my opinions is uncalled for I’m stating my opinions in the post if you can’t handle them don’t respond back.
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I have a mid-range computer from 2014 with 4GB ram and I'm able to play TS3 well with no problems thanks to the posts here, as well as other TS3 web sites!
Sims 4 has a lot of limitations and features it lacks. There is a LOT to look for from this game. You talk as if there is no way the sims series can be different, bigger better. But there are many , many , many ways. And I would have preferred if they kept the same lean towards realism in Sims 4 that they had with Sims 3 and sims Medieval. It would have been very much welcomed.
Sorry if I was misunderstood, I wasn't disagreeing with you in terms that Sims 4 has its limitations because it does seem more limited than Sims 3 was. And I do agree that the game could be better as I was disappointed with the cartoony look of the Sims when it came out as I know graphically we have surpassed this. With all honesty if Sims 3 didn't lag so bad even on my top notch desktop that has the latest version of Intel and NVidia and maxed out memory and space combined with the look and performance of Sims 4, I would still be playing Sims 3.
I was speaking in general, in that games are limited to the technology we have. As I understand and read somewhere they didn't use the same game engines as they did the with Sims 3. And I don't think that technologically speaking any game can be open-ended just yet due to technological limitations. But that doesn't mean it couldn't have been better than what it is. I agree that the next iteration of the Sims should be enhancing what we'v had in the past giving us something new. But as of right now the limitations that they've presented has of yet to hinder my game play. I still find this version of the game enjoyable and for that reason I will get Sims 5 if it ever happens.
I think the direction sims 5 should go would be to allow multiplayer online. I'd love to play with my friends and share a family on a lot! I can't see them adding much else that would really revolutionize the game.
I personally prefer the lots to open worlds. The loading is so much smoother, no lag or glitching as much as TS3. And I can travel anywhere with my sims anyway, it jaut works for me. As for rabbit holes...I think many are necessary, but some I would love to see updated to be playable. I don't need to see my sims in the movie theater, or at their desk job. I wouldn't mind joining my kids at school sometimes though, or to see diving underwater! Following a sim to space and sewing the alien worlds would be cool, but I also think that at that point it starts to become a different game entirely and not really worth the effort.
And, the thing is, I feel like with each expansion I get some of these new things that flash out the things I want, and I can pick and choose what works for my game and my wants overall I think Sims 4 is well done. It took me awhile to buy it...I only got it recently as I wanted there to plenty of expansions or before I bought it, but I'm enjoying it more than TS3.
i also like the cartoony look of the sims when i play my game if i am not creating its to escape from evryday housework and no matter how the sims5 would look i plan on buying the sims5
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I think the direction sims 5 should go would be to allow multiplayer online. I'd love to play with my friends and share a family on a lot! I can't see them adding much else that would really revolutionize the game.
I personally prefer the lots to open worlds. The loading is so much smoother, no lag or glitching as much as TS3. And I can travel anywhere with my sims anyway, it jaut works for me. As for rabbit holes...I think many are necessary, but some I would love to see updated to be playable. I don't need to see my sims in the movie theater, or at their desk job. I wouldn't mind joining my kids at school sometimes though, or to see diving underwater! Following a sim to space and sewing the alien worlds would be cool, but I also think that at that point it starts to become a different game entirely and not really worth the effort.
And, the thing is, I feel like with each expansion I get some of these new things that flash out the things I want, and I can pick and choose what works for my game and my wants overall I think Sims 4 is well done. It took me awhile to buy it...I only got it recently as I wanted there to plenty of expansions or before I bought it, but I'm enjoying it more than TS3.
There's already a game like what you want. It's called Second life.
Sims 4 has a lot of limitations and features it lacks. There is a LOT to look for from this game. You talk as if there is no way the sims series can be different, bigger better. But there are many , many , many ways. And I would have preferred if they kept the same lean towards realism in Sims 4 that they had with Sims 3 and sims Medieval. It would have been very much welcomed.
Sorry if I was misunderstood, I wasn't disagreeing with you in terms that Sims 4 has its limitations because it does seem more limited than Sims 3 was. And I do agree that the game could be better as I was disappointed with the cartoony look of the Sims when it came out as I know graphically we have surpassed this. With all honesty if Sims 3 didn't lag so bad even on my top notch desktop that has the latest version of Intel and NVidia and maxed out memory and space combined with the look and performance of Sims 4, I would still be playing Sims 3.
I was speaking in general, in that games are limited to the technology we have. As I understand and read somewhere they didn't use the same game engines as they did the with Sims 3. And I don't think that technologically speaking any game can be open-ended just yet due to technological limitations. But that doesn't mean it couldn't have been better than what it is. I agree that the next iteration of the Sims should be enhancing what we'v had in the past giving us something new. But as of right now the limitations that they've presented has of yet to hinder my game play. I still find this version of the game enjoyable and for that reason I will get Sims 5 if it ever happens.
I have a high end computer and Sims 3 runs perfectly fine (unless I play in Bridgeport - without NRaas - or IP). Sorry but it just really does. I have no idea why it doesn’t for others, it ran well vanilla and it runs well with the mods I have. And to me it looks way better than Sims 4 so maybe we should stop making that an ingredient of the conversation, because that has got nothing to do with anything else than personal preference.
But what is wrong with wanting the things from previous iterations to carry over into the next generation of the game? Are sequels not based on previous iterations or the original to some point? I'm not saying it has to be exactly the same I wouldn't want that. But it should at least enhance those things we enjoy and love about the game into the next generation to make it better and newer. I will always want certain aspects of past games to return because I enjoy them and would like to see it in the new game. If it doesn't happen then it just doesn't happen as I still enjoy the game just the way it is and what they have done.
@JoAnne65 thanks for the info. It could be a Mod I have for the Sims 3 that's causing the lag I honestly haven't played Sims 3 without mods since Late Night came out as it didn't include certain items in the build/buy debug that I wanted to place in other worlds. But it has made me curious to go and take all the mods out and see how it runs, just worried about the world I built as it has bits from every pack in game. I also have a ton of store content so that could also be a factor.
I think that so far, the sims games have failed to be proper life simulations at all. And if Sims 5 is more of the same, what is the incentive to shell out the money for it? After I have already invested literally hundreds of dollars on Sims 4 and if you combine Sims 1,2,3 and 4 over the years thats well over $1000 of content just to be able to do the same stunted imaginary play in each new game.
I need more for Sims 5 in order for me to actually buy it, because im not buying a 5th title for the same tired and rehashed experience. There is honestly no reason to even create a new title , if you're not going to innovate and expand to new heights you've never before reached. Us original simmers are getting older now. Sims 5 should be a new sims experience.Allow us to have more openness and more gameplay abilities than we ever had before.
I definitely agree. I'm not saying the game has to be 100% reflective of real life but I'd like touches of real like like being able to select bridesmaids/made of honor or groomsmen/best man for weddings. Or being able to shop at a grocery store, then go to the cafe and buy new clothes at the boutique that's on the same lot and they actually work independently from each other. More involvement with pregnancy and newborns. Stuff like that is what I'd like to see as far as realism.
I'm a part of the original simmers group and I just feel like it's time we got more realistic gameplay.
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I’ve been playing since the original The Sims and there was a very apparent lack of improvement between the 3rd and 4th iteration. I’m still enjoying TS4 but I think a lot of simmers that have been around since the beginning won’t hesitatate to drop the entire series unless the next version is a significant stepping stone in the series. It needs to actually compete with other games on the market, especially considering some RPG games are taking aspects of life simulation and doing a better job at it than The Sims 4. It’s my favorite game series, but I’ll drop it in a heartbeat if there are not significant changes to its development.
because not everyone's computer not even GAMING computers can handle an open world?
Do you have source to verify this carried over myth through out the years that's been proven time and time open world is partially the problem of not handling the open world. Especially when such words usually come from people who run TS4 on toasters and can't tell whether their "gaming" rig is 64bit or lower.
Sims 3 was a big huge resource hog and if you added mods that were resource hogs to make the game run better it didn’t help. My game can run TS3 but it renders slowly and the its not the best experience. That was caused by open worlds.
Ive run more demanding Open world games before on my gaming laptops and play on the highest settings. Open world games CAN be optimized and run well. It just has to be managed correctly.
What exactly , is your own vision for sims 5 because it sounds like you would like a remake of Sims 4. Which literally doesnt benefit anyone at all. Not even EA.
The Sims 3 is in no way optimized good is my point so you can sit there and say you have ran games with open worlds all you want. We are talking about the Sims 3 and the game has more problems then its worth playing. In no way am I a newbie to the game either but the appeal of Sims 4 was that it was different from the Sims 3 and if it was open world again I probably wouldn't have moved on to it.
Personally I don’t need to be able to play each and every detail in the game to call it a life simulation game. It’s a game, not life. That mainly applies to rabbitholes like careers and school though. Making restaurants and shops and prom and an ocean a rabbithole is something else, those need to be open. Movie theatres? Meh, I don’t really see the fun in watching a room full of sims sittig in a chair watching a screen. My sims hardly ever watch tv either.
I do agree with the part in this discussion however that advocates the game needing a good computer. I want the game to be as complex and in depth as possible, I do want that open world and I want to be able to customize as much as possible. I’ll never understand why for other games that’s not a problem, but as a simmer I’m supposed to be ‘casual’ and not care about that. I do.
For me, I do need to be able to see every detail. Having everything OPEN makes it seem less fake. Yes, at the end of the day its a game. That does not mean it should not be a good game or a convincing game. Its comments like the ones there, that make this game NOT do more than the absolute minimum . If they think most of their fans dont care about cutting edge features, like seamless gameplay and realistic graphics and immersive gameplay, then why should they provide it?
To be honest, other games look better and are more impressive because the fans of those games would never go for anything less. They want cutting edge graphics and they want stunning gameplay. Sims fans are all "I want a game that can run on my weak computer." They are probably the only fan base of people who dont want to push the boundaries and see what this "Life simulation" idea can truly be.
And if thats the case. If Im asking too much from this fanbase. And Maxis listens to them and makes Sims 5 another rehash and it seems outdated and behind the times in comparison to other popular video games when its released, then I just won't play or partake in this community anymore. Because it seems like any requests for this series to BE more and DO more than it has before is met with resistance. Or a sense of why do we need this fancy feature, or all that high falluting 'nonsense'? we dont care about that, we just want a simple, cartoony game, with closed off environments!
What if I don't want another cartoony Sims game, that looks like a child's dollhouse? What if I want a more contemporary Simming experience?
I’m sorry if you want less cartoony sims then play Second Life. I don’t want realistic looking sims that to me isn’t what the game is or ever has been. It’s cartoony hilarious sims that do crazy things you would never see in real life that is the appeal.
This argument makes little sense. The game before looked cartoony and had less satisfying gameplay because of technology. But as technology advances, so should video games. There is literally no reason to be stuck in the past. Video games are better when they are innovative, not STALE @pepperjax1230 And as someone who is by no means new to the sims, Im not sorry for wanting advancements. You might be fine with having 5 expensive versions of the same game with no improvements or growth visually and otherwise ,but I am not.
My point is that if you want the sims themselves to look realistic they never will. Do you really want to look at realistic looking sims and watch them age? I am sorry I rather have cartoony sims any day. So I was saying if you want realistic looking people in a game play Second Life. They don't have to change the sims like that the game is meant to be cartoony and fun to play.
"Fun to play". And not only are many, many games with realistic looking characters fun to play, most gamers prefer more realistic graphics. So I strongly disagree that The Sims needs that. I played open world games with characters that look a lot more realistic and not once was I bothered by that. In fact I find them more relate-able.
thank like @pepperjax1230 said go play Second Life or IMVU if you want "Realstic" sims. Or better yet get off your computer and head into Real Life deal with "Real Life"
What is wrong with wanting realistic sims.With the right style they can look stunning.
There isn’t anything wrong with realistic in games that are meant to be and look that way I prefer the sims not to. I can make my sims stunning with CC.
But the sims were never meant to have a pacific style .In Sims 3 it look more realistic,and 4 more cartoony.In Medivil they look stunning.
I agree that Sims Medieval Sims are stunning and Sims 3 Sims are to but mine always looked the same😂
Anyhow, I would like to re-direct the focus of this post. The sims 5 should be different and needs a strong selling feature. Open world is in huge demand and so is Create-A-Style. Create a style especially is essential. The loss of the ability to be creative and have total control over our designs was a really unfavorable choice. It feels more like we are not creators and rather, we are controlled by limitations.
Is that all you seriously care about not everyone can buy a new computer to run open world games the sims should not be one of those games that requires you to have the best computer to run it. I have a good computer and the sims 3 was terrible on it. I can play it but I rather have a game that is optimized really well for a better performance. For example I am playing Cities Skylines which isn’t optimized very well and they keep adding EP that’s fine but it’s not running good and it freezes. So telling people they have to buy a new computer for the Sims is insulting to some because it’s meant to run on computers that aren’t the best but can run the game.
Is that all I seriously care about? No . I care about immersion. I care about realistic gameplay. I care about a game that becomes better and more advanced with each generation.Not remaining stagnant.
Your whole entire attitude needs to be thrown in the garbage. It stinks and its trash. Conduct your conversation in a manner, where you're not antagonizing me. Because seriously Im really not the one. If you are going to be a total schmuck about it, dont bother engaging in feedback threads. Because your whole entire approach is disrespectful and im not here for it.
Furthermore, is all you care about your weak computer and having the game be as childish and condensed as possible?
I don’t have a weak computer it runs games I’m interested in fine. There is a line between realistic and cartoony. So you are saying you want to look st sims that look like Battlefront people that show the age and all the things that come with life? This game is an escape for most people from life making them as realistic as possible to look like actual people isn’t a game I want to use for escaping from life. Yes I want the game to improve but not in the way you want. I use the game as my platform for being creative and telling stories and just getting lost in my sims lives for awhile because it’s not life it’s a game. Also your attitude towards my opinions is uncalled for I’m stating my opinions in the post if you can’t handle them don’t respond back.
I escape through The Sims as well, but I want to make it more of a Utopian twist rather than total fantasy fake (based on MY choices, my freedom, not limited by force). I want the Sims to be, behave, work, chore, etc. fairly realistically and even have dramatic flaws and such BUT I set them up in a world that is better than our own, with better "politics" and such. Also, I AM IN CONTROL. I AM THE GODDESS. So that'll be there, always better than real life, always more MY WORLD, and more than enough "escape."
By the way, I am all for taking heavy inspiration from The Sims Medieval look. Anything less will hurt my soul.
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OP, I agree with about 90% of your topic. It's not that I want everything, I really don't, but I don't like half baked simulation. Some rabbit holes don't bother me, such as Sims in TS2 walking off the lot or driving to go to work. But after TS3 there was this huge outcry from almost everyone who cares about simulation to have more hands on careers where the Sim actually had to do something instead of the player clicking a box. (whatever that 'box' might be, building, pc, invisibile portal etc.)
The longer this series continues the more I get disappointed. Because I see it all the time, players of today don't really want any simulation in my opinion. They have grown up on easy games where you click something and the task is done. Let's take for instance the new sunblock in the upcoming EP for TS4. Your Sim won't even have to get off it's lazy rear end go to a store to buy sunblock but the player can just click on the float out in the water to get sunblock. Are you kidding?
I can hear the arguments now, for even less simulation as follows, but it takes so long to eat, it takes so long to bathe, it takes away from player clicking even more stuff and instantly getting 'a lot done'.
Really, then what is the point of a life simulator if it doesn't simulate and I know the answers to that...again, but I want my Sim to talk to other Sims and 'have fun'. Doing what? Making the player click on an object and viola Sim is fullfilled, no hunger, no lack of energy, no need to bathe, no need to get up off their lazy rear ends and walk across the room but just click the object.
I won't be surprised at all if in the near future this series turns into exactly what I said and it's no one to blame but those who want easy peasy, click object and be done sort of game play. Examples to come, click fridge, full, click bed ,full, click Sim, fullfilled. End of gameplay. YAY we got it all done.
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But what is wrong with wanting the things from previous iterations to carry over into the next generation of the game? Are sequels not based on previous iterations or the original to some point? I'm not saying it has to be exactly the same I wouldn't want that. But it should at least enhance those things we enjoy and love about the game into the next generation to make it better and newer. I will always want certain aspects of past games to return because I enjoy them and would like to see it in the new game. If it doesn't happen then it just doesn't happen as I still enjoy the game just the way it is and what they have done.
@JoAnne65 thanks for the info. It could be a Mod I have for the Sims 3 that's causing the lag I honestly haven't played Sims 3 without mods since Late Night came out as it didn't include certain items in the build/buy debug that I wanted to place in other worlds. But it has made me curious to go and take all the mods out and see how it runs, just worried about the world I built as it has bits from every pack in game. I also have a ton of store content so that could also be a factor.
A mod or maybe a lot of CC? I played vanilla for years and didn’t have lag (lag being sims not immediately responding while time continues; sometimes people use the term for freezing and stuttering too, that I do have in certain worlds). I have quite some CC now and a couple of mods and I still don’t have any lag. Stuttering and freezing always comes down to routing errors. Like, at 3AM NRaas automatically cleans cars and other stuck stuff and then the game will freeze for a moment. And when my game freezes in the middle of the day in IP, I can be sure I’ll get an Errortrap notification about some sim a moment later. If they manage to develop a game with an open world with more intelligent routing and an in game cleaning system, I’m convinced it will be possible. A smoothly running open world. Sims 3 was pioneer for this franchise of course, concerning open world. But instead of learning from their mistakes and make it work better next time, they just simply got rid of the the whole concept. Why people forgive them and even praise them for that, will always be beyond me.
Personally, I don't need ts5 to be ultra 'realistic', after all, everyone's view of reality is different. And I am a fan of the cartoonish look the sims has.
What I need from ts5 is more options, many, many more options. I don't want the game to feel restrictive, as ts4 does. I want it to be an expansion on what ts3 was.
So people are can only have old computers shouldn't be allowed to play newer Sim games just because you guys want every single thing to be opened up which would make some people's computers just crash? Jeeze and people think I'm self-centred. You guys are more self centred then I am
Be allowed , you are still allowed to play sims.Your not entitled for this game.I don't won't the whole world open up. I feel for those who have low end computers. The best thing to do is save, or get a part time job.
not possible on disability income not unless I want to decide between medication or roof over my head
And so the future of the Sims should be stunted because of your personal problems? I am astounded that some in this fan base think that is acceptable. No other game WORKS like that!!! Games need innovation and to deliver new advances in order to stay modern , current and interesting!
What they should do is make Sims 5 a very modern and impressive game, those who cant or wont keep up should not determine where this series goes.
So people are can only have old computers shouldn't be allowed to play newer Sim games just because you guys want every single thing to be opened up which would make some people's computers just crash? Jeeze and people think I'm self-centred. You guys are more self centred then I am
Be allowed , you are still allowed to play sims.Your not entitled for this game.I don't won't the whole world open up. I feel for those who have low end computers. The best thing to do is save, or get a part time job.
not possible on disability income not unless I want to decide between medication or roof over my head
Then I'm sorry, but maybe you can get extra job.Babysit , or find smaller jobs you can do.
even those are not allowed for anyone on disability beside I don't have a baby-sitter training. I mean 28/29 year old in a room full of 12-13+ children? Their parents would think I'm only there to do nasty stuff to their children /s
That's unfortunate.
Don't you have any friends or family who might need a night free from the kids, who would be willing to pay cash?
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I’ve been playing since the original The Sims and there was a very apparent lack of improvement between the 3rd and 4th iteration. I’m still enjoying TS4 but I think a lot of simmers that have been around since the beginning won’t hesitatate to drop the entire series unless the next version is a significant stepping stone in the series. It needs to actually compete with other games on the market, especially considering some RPG games are taking aspects of life simulation and doing a better job at it than The Sims 4. It’s my favorite game series, but I’ll drop it in a heartbeat if there are not significant changes to its development.
I will be done with it too! and after seeing how a lot of the fans of this game are actually okay with it not improving and remaining the same. I think walking away from the sims games and community would be a good change of pace for me.
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i also like the cartoony look of the sims when i play my game if i am not creating its to escape from evryday housework and no matter how the sims5 would look i plan on buying the sims5
good for you. i dont. they can keep it.
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OP, I agree with about 90% of your topic. It's not that I want everything, I really don't, but I don't like half baked simulation. Some rabbit holes don't bother me, such as Sims in TS2 walking off the lot or driving to go to work. But after TS3 there was this huge outcry from almost everyone who cares about simulation to have more hands on careers where the Sim actually had to do something instead of the player clicking a box. (whatever that 'box' might be, building, pc, invisibile portal etc.)
The longer this series continues the more I get disappointed. Because I see it all the time, players of today don't really want any simulation in my opinion. They have grown up on easy games where you click something and the task is done. Let's take for instance the new sunblock in the upcoming EP for TS4. Your Sim won't even have to get off it's lazy rear end go to a store to buy sunblock but the player can just click on the float out in the water to get sunblock. Are you kidding?
I can hear the arguments now, for even less simulation as follows, but it takes so long to eat, it takes so long to bathe, it takes away from player clicking even more stuff and instantly getting 'a lot done'.
Really, then what is the point of a life simulator if it doesn't simulate and I know the answers to that...again, but I want my Sim to talk to other Sims and 'have fun'. Doing what? Making the player click on an object and viola Sim is fullfilled, no hunger, no lack of energy, no need to bathe, no need to get up off their lazy rear ends and walk across the room but just click the object.
I won't be surprised at all if in the near future this series turns into exactly what I said and it's no one to blame but those who want easy peasy, click object and be done sort of game play. Examples to come, click fridge, full, click bed ,full, click Sim, fullfilled. End of gameplay. YAY we got it all done.
Me either. It's all very half-baked and a very lazy attempt. I really liked how in The Sims 2 sims actually had to go shopping for clothing. That added a touch of realism and was actually nice to only own the clothing you wanted. I would like to not choose from every item from every pack when I go to change my sims clothing. So it would be nice if in the Sims 5, they brought back shopping for clothes and do AWAY with free clothing. Let sims pay for clothes and shoes. Realism please.
I think the longer it goes on the more it gets worse because half of the fan base doesn't want realistic gameplay or realistic sims.I remember watching a video about the concept of modern video games with absolutely stunning realistic visuals, it was beautiful and and a popular comment was that The Sims games would look amazing with those graphics and someone replied that the backwards fans base of the Sims games would never go for that And I agreed with the sentiment and I think they may have been very right.
With respect to the gameplay I also agree that all of this clicking and especially the clicking and sims disappearing and coming back with full hunger/fun/hygiene bars is not my idea of a good life simulation at all. But if that is the kind of game the sims fans want. Something simplistic and unrealistic , that fine. Have at it. Not my cup of tea and Im through buying . Lifes too short to play half baked video games and contend with this fan base and game thats never going to evolve.
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I think that so far, the sims games have failed to be proper life simulations at all. And if Sims 5 is more of the same, what is the incentive to shell out the money for it? After I have already invested literally hundreds of dollars on Sims 4 and if you combine Sims 1,2,3 and 4 over the years thats well over $1000 of content just to be able to do the same stunted imaginary play in each new game.
I need more for Sims 5 in order for me to actually buy it, because im not buying a 5th title for the same tired and rehashed experience. There is honestly no reason to even create a new title , if you're not going to innovate and expand to new heights you've never before reached. Us original simmers are getting older now. Sims 5 should be a new sims experience.Allow us to have more openness and more gameplay abilities than we ever had before.
I definitely agree. I'm not saying the game has to be 100% reflective of real life but I'd like touches of real like like being able to select bridesmaids/made of honor or groomsmen/best man for weddings. Or being able to shop at a grocery store, then go to the cafe and buy new clothes at the boutique that's on the same lot and they actually work independently from each other. More involvement with pregnancy and newborns. Stuff like that is what I'd like to see as far as realism.
I'm a part of the original simmers group and I just feel like it's time we got more realistic gameplay.
I agree. I think shopping for clothes should make a huge return in The Sims 5. Going shopping for clothing would add so much more of a personalized feeling. -
And it would make sense to have in the base game the option to control and play as only 1 member of a household and have the other roommates or household members to be intelligent NPC's. NPC's that can be made non-NPC at the players will and control, but NPC's if we wish.
And apartments should really not wait on an expansion, that is a basic real life type of home.Should be available in base game and the player should be allowed to build one with "Apartment" being a lot type.
And I definitely am on the same page about the community lots working independently and being more useful.
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I think the sims games should focus on letting the player play with life and experience different parts of life, have those magical moments when sims interact with each other in ways you did not expect and let you create your own story.
Many games that are telling good stories are focusing on one point of view from the protagonist, the sims are supposed to help you create whatever story and world you want with any sim so the game should offer you options and give you opportunities to do that.
But I also think it should be a game, it should be entertaining and fun to play and offer new experiences for us in the forms of jobs, careers, activities, professions etc. Things that make gamers play games for hours and hours on end. And it is disappointing for me that much of that feels very limited by hardware or software restrictions.
I hope that the sims5 will not feel as restricted, but instead offer "wow" moments like other games do, like when you see incredible vistas or defeating a really hard boss in other games.
That would be nice. There arent a lot of moments that make the player feel involved.
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@EnjoyfulSimmer not everyone is going to share your vision of what you want from the sims some will. But we all have ideas of what we want the game to be and that is what makes the community and the game unique. We don’t all play the same and we see the game differently all of us. We use the game how we want some like to be creative some like to tell stories with lots of drama and everyone has opinions on if they like how the game looks. Cartoony sims isn’t a terrible thing it’s what I come to love about the game. The game doesn’t need to be overly realistic to be still fun and I would think if they started now being realistic then it wouldn’t look anything like a game we are use to seeing in this franchise. I want things like apartments weather grocery stores and places to buy clothes for sims. I don’t like that after 3 years that the Sims 4 has nothing still for sims to do like hobbies. I get bored with the game but I can also get very engrossed in the game and spend hours seeing my sims grow and be who I want them to be in there world.
All of what you said about all of us having a different vision, is simple common sense and easily understood. I know that. You view things your way and I view thing my own.
As far as The Sims 5 being very different, that would be a good thing. I like change. I need change in order for me to invest my dollars in a whole new base game.
Having said all that, lets agree to disagree.
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Rabbit-Holes are there to prevent crashes and allow a maximum amount of people to play the game. I don't think they can turn rabbit-holes off without changing everyones game. If everything in ts4 was active then I wouldn't be able to play.
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You're entitled to think that. But for me personally, the closed off rabbit hole deal gives the game a very fake, children's game feel to me. Sims 4 while enjoyable for me, gives me that feel too. And I would like a more mature game.
Not sure where you got "every imaginable life scenario" from but thats interesting i guess. I just dont want things to be closed off activities. This "but its just a game" stuff doesnt work for me, if it's that meaningless , I would just not play it. That mindset is why we have rabbit hole snorkeling or diving with Island Living, when Sims 3 had more REALISTIC diving.The game gets cut down and its not right imo.
Why is it that Sims 2 was an advancement over sims 1, sims 3 GREATLY advanced over sims 2 and yet for some reason a few of you dont understand why the game should advance from pretend, immersion ruining rabbit holes? Sims 5 having a bunch of closed off scenarios is not a proper simulation .
However there are a few things that might make it tempting to me at least on sale.
1. Parenthood type traits already in the base game
2. Seasons in the base game
3. Open world but able to still run on lower end computers
4. Cartoony style
5. Free babies
6. Preschoolers, preteens, middle agers OR gradual aging where your sim hits every age 1,2,3,4 and gradually looks a bit older with diff activities locking./unlocking at certain ages
7. Toggle off for features like celebs, occult, strangerville style stories
8. Toggle off for build and CAS you'd never use
9. Still have the gallery
10. Small rework of traits /moodlet but not a full overhaul.
11. Story progression that you can control the amount of or flag certain sims it won't affect
12. Better family relationships and non mutual relationships.
13. More hobbies
14. Follow kids to school
I love your opening post on this thread! I want the same things as you do! I would love an optimized open world (and I do have faith that the devs can make it so since they had previous experience from TS3) and for everything to be an active lot, but with the option of making it a rabbit hole if I want a break.
I do want to point out though that yes, when TS3 was first released, there was a bunch of rabbit holes. But over the course of its run, EAxis did release items in EPs and from the Sims 3 Store that converted a lot of the rabbit holes into active lots.
They released venues of active versions of rabbit holes:
- movie theater: Le Cinema Plumbob
- restaurant: Business as Usual Bistro
- bakery: Deliciously Indulgent Bakery
- spa: Serenity Retreat
- fruit and vegetable stands:
The other venues also add other types of active lots that didn't have a corresponding rabbit hole such as a farm, various amusement parks, open air street market, casino, arcade, etc.EPs:
For the stadium, I can understand why the devs didn't make an active version - that would require a lot of sims since most stadium sports are team sports. They did add sports items in Seasons, and that can be added to school and college active lots.
There are mods also that provide even more abilities to make active lots, but I'm mentioning all these things that the devs made to show that they were mindful of the things people complained about when the TS3 base game came out, and that they actually made a great amount of effort to add the ability to make active versions of the rabbit holes. That is not mentioned enough (I guess because people don't want others to buy TS3 over TS4 during TS4's run) and makes a lot of people think that the Maxis devs have never addressed these things.
So @EnjoyfulSimmer I wanted to point that out and show that the devs did answer those complaints to some great extent by adding items in subsequent packs to convert rabbit holes to active lots. So for me, I'm hopeful that they will do the same in TS5.
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In terms of active careers, I really want them to take a look at Zerbu's Ultimate Careers mod for TS3. That mod is absolutely BRILLIANT. You create an workplace lot. Fill it up with all the skill-building items for that career. Designate it as the working site for a career and voila! The next day, all the sims that are in that profession will work there! It's awesome because the sims are using the actual work hours to build their skills and build real friendships with their co-workers. That frees up the sims' hours after work to do whatever else! Also, if you get tired of following your sims to work and need a break, you can just send them to their rabbitholes! You can also designate your own home so you can work from home and send everyone else to the other work site or rabbit hole too! So I'm hoping they really add this functionality in. I love it so much!
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I have a mid-range computer from 2014 with 4GB ram and I'm able to play TS3 well with no problems thanks to the posts here, as well as other TS3 web sites!
Sorry if I was misunderstood, I wasn't disagreeing with you in terms that Sims 4 has its limitations because it does seem more limited than Sims 3 was. And I do agree that the game could be better as I was disappointed with the cartoony look of the Sims when it came out as I know graphically we have surpassed this. With all honesty if Sims 3 didn't lag so bad even on my top notch desktop that has the latest version of Intel and NVidia and maxed out memory and space combined with the look and performance of Sims 4, I would still be playing Sims 3.
I was speaking in general, in that games are limited to the technology we have. As I understand and read somewhere they didn't use the same game engines as they did the with Sims 3. And I don't think that technologically speaking any game can be open-ended just yet due to technological limitations. But that doesn't mean it couldn't have been better than what it is. I agree that the next iteration of the Sims should be enhancing what we'v had in the past giving us something new. But as of right now the limitations that they've presented has of yet to hinder my game play. I still find this version of the game enjoyable and for that reason I will get Sims 5 if it ever happens.
I personally prefer the lots to open worlds. The loading is so much smoother, no lag or glitching as much as TS3. And I can travel anywhere with my sims anyway, it jaut works for me. As for rabbit holes...I think many are necessary, but some I would love to see updated to be playable. I don't need to see my sims in the movie theater, or at their desk job. I wouldn't mind joining my kids at school sometimes though, or to see diving underwater! Following a sim to space and sewing the alien worlds would be cool, but I also think that at that point it starts to become a different game entirely and not really worth the effort.
And, the thing is, I feel like with each expansion I get some of these new things that flash out the things I want, and I can pick and choose what works for my game and my wants
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There's already a game like what you want. It's called Second life.
But what is wrong with wanting the things from previous iterations to carry over into the next generation of the game? Are sequels not based on previous iterations or the original to some point? I'm not saying it has to be exactly the same I wouldn't want that. But it should at least enhance those things we enjoy and love about the game into the next generation to make it better and newer. I will always want certain aspects of past games to return because I enjoy them and would like to see it in the new game. If it doesn't happen then it just doesn't happen as I still enjoy the game just the way it is and what they have done.
@JoAnne65 thanks for the info. It could be a Mod I have for the Sims 3 that's causing the lag I honestly haven't played Sims 3 without mods since Late Night came out as it didn't include certain items in the build/buy debug that I wanted to place in other worlds. But it has made me curious to go and take all the mods out and see how it runs, just worried about the world I built as it has bits from every pack in game. I also have a ton of store content so that could also be a factor.
I definitely agree. I'm not saying the game has to be 100% reflective of real life but I'd like touches of real like like being able to select bridesmaids/made of honor or groomsmen/best man for weddings. Or being able to shop at a grocery store, then go to the cafe and buy new clothes at the boutique that's on the same lot and they actually work independently from each other. More involvement with pregnancy and newborns. Stuff like that is what I'd like to see as far as realism.
I'm a part of the original simmers group and I just feel like it's time we got more realistic gameplay.
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By the way, I am all for taking heavy inspiration from The Sims Medieval look. Anything less will hurt my soul.
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Personally, I don't need ts5 to be ultra 'realistic', after all, everyone's view of reality is different. And I am a fan of the cartoonish look the sims has.
What I need from ts5 is more options, many, many more options. I don't want the game to feel restrictive, as ts4 does. I want it to be an expansion on what ts3 was.
Harsh, but true.
That's unfortunate.
Don't you have any friends or family who might need a night free from the kids, who would be willing to pay cash?
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I will be done with it too! and after seeing how a lot of the fans of this game are actually okay with it not improving and remaining the same. I think walking away from the sims games and community would be a good change of pace for me.
good for you. i dont. they can keep it.
Me either. It's all very half-baked and a very lazy attempt. I really liked how in The Sims 2 sims actually had to go shopping for clothing. That added a touch of realism and was actually nice to only own the clothing you wanted. I would like to not choose from every item from every pack when I go to change my sims clothing. So it would be nice if in the Sims 5, they brought back shopping for clothes and do AWAY with free clothing. Let sims pay for clothes and shoes. Realism please.
I think the longer it goes on the more it gets worse because half of the fan base doesn't want realistic gameplay or realistic sims.I remember watching a video about the concept of modern video games with absolutely stunning realistic visuals, it was beautiful and and a popular comment was that The Sims games would look amazing with those graphics and someone replied that the backwards fans base of the Sims games would never go for that
With respect to the gameplay I also agree that all of this clicking and especially the clicking and sims disappearing and coming back with full hunger/fun/hygiene bars is not my idea of a good life simulation at all. But if that is the kind of game the sims fans want. Something simplistic and unrealistic , that fine. Have at it. Not my cup of tea and Im through buying . Lifes too short to play half baked video games and contend with this fan base and game thats never going to evolve.
I agree. I think shopping for clothes should make a huge return in The Sims 5. Going shopping for clothing would add so much more of a personalized feeling. -
And it would make sense to have in the base game the option to control and play as only 1 member of a household and have the other roommates or household members to be intelligent NPC's. NPC's that can be made non-NPC at the players will and control, but NPC's if we wish.
And apartments should really not wait on an expansion, that is a basic real life type of home.Should be available in base game and the player should be allowed to build one with "Apartment" being a lot type.
And I definitely am on the same page about the community lots working independently and being more useful.
All of what you said about all of us having a different vision, is simple common sense and easily understood. I know that. You view things your way and I view thing my own.
As far as The Sims 5 being very different, that would be a good thing. I like change. I need change in order for me to invest my dollars in a whole new base game.
Having said all that, lets agree to disagree.
Almost everything in TS4 is active.