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  • rambahadoerrambahadoer Posts: 405 Member
    DeerLord wrote: »
    I was playing TS2 recently and had a sim living with the Pleasant twins. He was dating Angela but got a bit "confused" one night since Lilith decided to sleep in their bed instead of her own and I just rolled with it. They all moved shortly after and the couple had a kiss in front of their new house which I didn't even think about and couldn't have prevented if I wanted to... Lilith was not happy.

    The result of one bad choice and an autonomous interaction was that the household became so bad with Lilith and my sim constantly being angry and going out of their way to fight and make eachother miserable after trying to fix it for days, that I ended up needing to move her out on her own with no job. Lilith and Angela remained best friends and Angela was none the wiser through the whole ordeal.

    Do you know how much work you'd have to do in TS4 to force sims into situations so you could even begin to pretend that something half as interesting as that is happening?
    Exactly you need to put a lot of work into it to creat some form of drama and in the end it doesn't pay off for me at all since the sims don't react to it and just act happy again with eachother
  • Jordan061102Jordan061102 Posts: 3,918 Member
    edited June 2018
    TS4 seriously needs an update for relationships and reactions.
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  • AlwaysTheSunAlwaysTheSun Posts: 388 Member
    edited June 2018
    Well, I thought that I was the only one annoyed with it...
    Yesterday I told my Sims to argue during the meal.. The first thing they did was saved to each others with smiled and then started arguing..
    It just really sad, cause 4 years after game release it hasn't been fixed. We can clearly say that it's never going to be changed.
    Whole game has a strange system. Sims talk before actions. Parents sits to talk to toddler, and then picks the kid up and give them a bath. Asks then plays.. Really annoying.
    They also sit everywhere they can. Every conversation finishes with sim going to sit.. Why can't they talk while standing?

    Instead of that we're getting ghosts walking all over the world, inviting us for a party or a meal..
  • JouvayJouvay Posts: 834 Member
    My ts4 experience has been different, without fail if a sim cheats in front of their spouse, the relationship tanks quickly. The anger moodlet is strong. Flirting is also a trigger.
  • AlwaysTheSunAlwaysTheSun Posts: 388 Member
    edited June 2018
    Sorry if this is slightly off-topic but I can't start a new thread as a new member. But do sims eventually start reacting to their grandchildren once they've aged up? One of my sims has had a baby and when her dads come round they don't even notice the baby... Is that normal? Will it change? Or will they not acknowledge the baby until I'm playing from the dads' point of view rather than their daughter's.

    What used to annoy me (about older games) is when Sim3 knew they were flirting with a sim (Sim1) who was in a relationship with Sim2, but would get angry when Sim1 would go back to Sim2 and flirt. Like you knew you were having an affair, they have a significant other, like what were you expecting!?

    In my experience no. Sims are vaguely aware there is a short person in the house. They don’t really care that it’s related to them or acknowledge it.

    OP I agree with you whole heartedly, I myself have made a topic or two on this topic in the past. This is probably the sole reason I can’t immerse myself in the game. So much of the fun of the sims is playing out a scenario and watching the consequences and how that impacts on your game. I had a sim cheat on his bride on their wedding day with his sister in law, the bride did nothing, I had a different sim decide to hit on his father in law in front of his pregnant wife and mother in law- again nothing happened. That one I didn’t initiate but was disappointing to see none of the sims cared.

    In my sims 2 game, a child caught her Mum kissing another man. The child burst into tears and ran from the room, her relationship with her Mum went south and she rolled a want to “drink” Alan. I.e she wanted him dead.

    By contrast my child in the sims 4 watched her Dad kissing another woman and doing all kinds of romantic interactions in front of her; she didn’t care. She just kept eating her ice cream and smiling.

    I made a couple get divorced, because they were camping and had a ton of happy moodlets, neither sim had an appropriate reaction as the sad and angry moodlets never came to the surface. Even though the man had caught his fiancée with another woman he was still very happy. I had to imagine a reaction and make him be mean to the man he has just caught his partner cheating on him with. But as soon as the mean interaction has finished? Let’s tell a joke! Let’s hug, let’s ask about day. (None of which were initiated by me)

    Come on EA! I shouldn’t have to imagine that he is angry that he has just caught the mother of his children with another man and make him have a reaction, I shouldn’t have to fight the game to give him an appropriate reaction for the circumstances. It’s 2018 and the AI is so poor I have to pretend sims have emotions for certain circumstances? I have to pretend that beneath all the happy moodlets my sim is devastated by a family break up or a death? Even my ten year old niece noticed the fact that sims don’t care unless you tell them too. Will Wright recognised that players like to explore failure states. A mantra that has been forgotten. Now it’s all about making pretty sims with nice houses with lots of tat. Sims and their emotions are a definite second.

    The sims 1,2 and 3 managed it. No excuses.


    This to me is a basic problem with the game that I don’t see changing. It doesn’t matter What dlc we get as long as that problem exists (and it’s been four years now) it will always spoil the game. I don’t care for weather. Who cares when the sims will be having the same poor reactions just with a different back ground outside.

    This is what SIMGURUGRAHAM said before The Sims 4 was released "We can pretend that Sims are sad"

    Some players don't really care about anything, they just admire new recolours. Why should they change anything
  • BreeNillaBreeNilla Posts: 160 Member
    I have an issue with this, too. Sims don't really notice what's going on around them. My sim and his kid were at work/school when grandma died. They came home, didn’t even realize it. I made him mourn for her and he was sad for 4 hours. He had a really good relationship with her, but since he wasn’t there to witness the death, it didn’t affect him as much.

    And everyone has already pointed out the romantic issues with sims being cheated on and getting over it quickly. I don’t want to have to make sims have reactions, they should be based on traits and relationships, right?

    For example, bladder failure. Other sims could laugh or be shocked like in the ts3, parents could scold kids too. Witness a fight? Maybe console the one who lost or laugh at them or scold both sims involved for fighting? Maybe these interactions are in the game and I haven’t seen them yet, but there’s only Share Big News for pregnancies…is there nothing for engagement, marriages, talk about new family member kinda stuff? Congratulate on promotion? Do sims not care when they see someone with an illness?

    Sorry, I guess I kinda went into ‘interaction’ instead of ‘reaction’, haha…! They kinda go hand in hand, don’t they?
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  • OldeseadoggeOldeseadogge Posts: 4,973 Member
    So much for this being a 'life simulator'. Maybe the game should be re-named 'La-la Candyland'. TS2 is infinitely superior, it's like you're actually with little people with all their 'stuff' that life throws at them.
  • rambahadoerrambahadoer Posts: 405 Member
    BreeNilla wrote: »
    I have an issue with this, too. Sims don't really notice what's going on around them. My sim and his kid were at work/school when grandma died. They came home, didn’t even realize it. I made him mourn for her and he was sad for 4 hours. He had a really good relationship with her, but since he wasn’t there to witness the death, it didn’t affect him as much.

    And everyone has already pointed out the romantic issues with sims being cheated on and getting over it quickly. I don’t want to have to make sims have reactions, they should be based on traits and relationships, right?

    For example, bladder failure. Other sims could laugh or be shocked like in the ts3, parents could scold kids too. Witness a fight? Maybe console the one who lost or laugh at them or scold both sims involved for fighting? Maybe these interactions are in the game and I haven’t seen them yet, but there’s only Share Big News for pregnancies…is there nothing for engagement, marriages, talk about new family member kinda stuff? Congratulate on promotion? Do sims not care when they see someone with an illness?

    Sorry, I guess I kinda went into ‘interaction’ instead of ‘reaction’, haha…! They kinda go hand in hand, don’t they?

    yes i agree that not only should the reactions be updated but there should also be more interactions like the things you mentioned and give condolences for a family member that passed away also someone mentioned in another thread that reading obituaries should return from ts3 so you can keep up with the dead sims just romance and death NEED to be updatedto make this game feel more alive the sims 4 was supposed to be about the sims themself but the sims 2 sims are WAY more in depth than these
  • rambahadoerrambahadoer Posts: 405 Member
    So much for this being a 'life simulator'. Maybe the game should be re-named 'La-la Candyland'. TS2 is infinitely superior, it's like you're actually with little people with all their 'stuff' that life throws at them.

    Yes yes yes don;t get me wrong i do like ts4 but it feels like la la land and not in a good way its like the utopian future from ts3 into the future but then in normal life and it gets BORING really fast
  • rambahadoerrambahadoer Posts: 405 Member
    This is what SIMGURUGRAHAM said before The Sims 4 was released "We can pretend that Sims are sad"

    Some players don't really care about anything, they just admire new recolours. Why should they change anything[/quote] @AlwaysTheSun where did he say this because i don't want to pretend i want it to be really happening and see it on my sims that's a life simulator

  • MidnightAuraMidnightAura Posts: 5,809 Member
    JoAnne65 wrote: »
    JoAnne65 wrote: »
    My sim cheated on her boyfriend in Sims 4 and got a message immediately after where he cheerfully congratulated her with her choice of friends, he was very happy for her. Such a free spirit. In Sims 3 it’s hard to repair the damage done but I like that. I wouldn't be so broad-minded irl myself either.

    He is such an understanding sim! ;) Sounds just like my sim wanting to marry his girlfriend seconds after he slapped her for cheating on him. Maybe it was the sight of seeing his love woohooing another that prompted him to realise she was the one?

    I would rather have a bit of trash can knocking over or refusing to be in the same room and maintain a civil discussion. Makes my sims feel more alive and realistic.
    Oh, by the way, regarding that marriage (lol!), I made a sim flirt with another woman on his wedding day in TS3, then sent him to the arch with his bride and this happened:

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    She refused to marry him. I seriously don’t understand why they managed to get things like this right in the past and not anymore.

    Gorgeous pictures as always! Their expressions are priceless!
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