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dev update - Laundry Day hairstyles

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Hey everyone, it's time for a look at the new hairstyles coming in Laundry Day Stuff, as well as sharing info about our process of selecting and creating hairstyles.

Similar to the clothing and objects that you selected via votes earlier in this project, hairstyles are something that we create concept art of here in our studio, which is then handed off to external partners for creation of the final asset. If you'd like to learn more about that specific process, I'd recommend this post which details our workflow for objects. Some of you have asked why hairstyles weren't part of the votes that took place. Ultimately, there were two reasons why they weren't included in the voting process...

First, it's important to note that hairstyles are typically the most time consuming assets that we work with external partners to create. The process starts with gathering photo reference of different people wearing the hairstyle that we're creating, so that we have a variety of examples of what that hairstyle can look like. From there our artists will draw their own interpretation of the hairstyle superimposed over a bald Sim. They create two versions of these drawings - one which is opaque, which demonstrates what the final material should look like, and the other which is transparent, so that the modeler has a clear example of the shape and volume of the hairstyle in comparison to the position of the Sim's head. Throughout this time, revisions are made based on feedback shared by our art director. While this process isn't all that different from other assets, the amount of detail in each hairstyle means that these assets simply take longer to create than objects and clothing. This ends up impacting our development schedule; we tend to lock in our hair selections prior to the objects and clothing, so that our artists and external partners have more time to work on them. Looking back at the votes we held for this project, not only did that mean that we couldn't wait to include these alongside the objects/clothing vote, but we didn't even have enough spare time to hold a separate hairstyle vote. Essentially, the moment we had the results of our art style vote, we had to immediately start working on the hairstyles. This was the one hurdle in this project where we couldn't figure out a way to include a hairstyle vote without delaying the milestones in our development schedule.

Here's a look at some of the feedback that was shared for the Laundry Day hairstyles. Here you see the hairstyles earlier in the process, where the drawings are a bit rougher, and adjustments are still being made. Try spotting the differences between these and the final images down below :)

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The second reason we didn't vote on hairstyles centers around a philosophical question of what we were trying to accomplish with this project. All of the votes you participated in for this project were intended to mimic the same development process that we follow internally. Each vote was based on the group discussions we have to select assets or features for a pack. But when it comes to hairstyles, they're typically selected by the pack's Art Director without a lot of outside input. Our art directors have collected a treasure trove of reference material of various hairstyles that we could include in the game someday, and with each pack that comes along they choose a few from this collection they've amassed. This allowed them to make decisions immediately following the art style vote, and already have ideas in place that they could act upon. Because selecting hair styles isn't really a thing we make consensus decisions about, it made less sense to hold a vote for it, so as to more accurately represent our development process.

With all that said, here are the final concept drawings we shared with our external partners so that these hairstyles could come to life in-game. You'll note the opaque and transparent views that I mentioned earlier, as well as the color variants for one of the hairstyles. To see how they actually turned out in-game, stay tuned for Laundry Day's full reveal... in the meantime, you can get a sneak peak of how they look in this season's quarterly teaser!

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  • crazycat_135crazycat_135 Posts: 1,288 Member
    Finally!!! I love all of these hairstyles, especially the one with the headband. :)
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  • GrijzePilionGrijzePilion Posts: 581 Member
    Interesting that you mention the "external partners".
    I know asset creation is a thing that you guys have been (partially) outsourcing for longer, but I wonder in how much it contributes to certain stylistic inconsistencies I've noticed. In both TS3 and TS4 I've seen significant differences in asset quality and art style between different packs.
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  • CunninghamCunningham Posts: 1,307 Member
    If I’m honest I would rather wait an extra month or so...only to get more male hairstyles. Please.
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  • MissNightOwlMissNightOwl Posts: 740 Member
    They look really nice, gives me the feel of lazy weekend :) I also love the insight that comes with comentary, like that about a bun lowering with time.
  • ShayanFHShayanFH Posts: 2 New Member
    Wow :o I never thought that you have to pay attention to so many things for hairstyles. I am always amazed when I see how great the results will be in the end. The communication is great! :)
  • Simsfan99111Simsfan99111 Posts: 1,260 Member
    Wow i love these hairstyles! Especially the first hair and third clipped up hair!
  • zubrowkaszubrowkas Posts: 375 Member
    The quality of the hair recently has been fantastic. Kudos to those who are choosing the styles and the textures. I'd love an entire stuff pack dedicated to CAS items - as I, personally, never feel like we have enough hair options. :)
  • MelpomenaMelpomena Posts: 90 Member
    I see the one with the headband lost its bun and ended up with a bit of a curly hair medium long falling in the back of the head. Am I right ? Anyway, it looks pretty. And it's true that the quality of the hair gets better with each new set.

    I have to fallow @zubrowkas, I'd love an entire stuff pack of CAS items. :)

  • SuucherriesSuucherries Posts: 118 Member
    edited January 6
    No useable ethnic hairstyles huh?

    They are beautiful nonetheless, however there's a sizable community who don't have straight hair and would love representation. If every pack has straight hair could you please implement at least one wavy, braided, dreaded or curly hair? Either of the mentioned would be appreciated by the masses of people black white and in between with hair that isn't straight.
  • keekee53keekee53 Posts: 2,420 Member
    edited January 7
    The hair looks great :) I was wondering if going forward we were able to choose the color of clips, ribbons etc. I like to match hair accessories to the clothing. I hate how I have to choose the clothing to match the hair accessory.

    Just to be clear, I would like my sim to be able to wear a black hair clip no matter what color her hair is.
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  • AlbaWaterhouseAlbaWaterhouse Posts: 3,092 Member
    Super relaxed hairstyles, I really like them.
    The process is really interesting. Even though I have been skeptical about the voting process, being able to see how you guys work has been a treat :)
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  • ScobreScobre Posts: 16,804 Member
    edited January 6
    I kind of like how hairs are getting more textured lately. It was a bit boring how flat the base game hairs are. I've always wondered why throughout the years why are female hairs the focus when it comes to hairs? Is there any chance hairs can get more swatches like a real purple and a real white? Like how do you decide which swatches to use and how many hairstyles for each age and gender? I really like the ombre swatches used in packs you have worked on Graham. Always nice to have more color in my Sims' lives.
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  • BlueR0seBlueR0se Posts: 858 Member
    The male hairstyle is def my favorite. The clip female one is cute tho.
  • ItsJanierItsJanier Posts: 772 Member
    The male hairstyle looks like something that we already have in the game.
    But the female hairstyles are great!
  • YvinatorEliteYvinatorElite Posts: 82 Member
    These hairstyles look AMAZING, I especially love the male hairstyle and can see that be used on my female sims as well!

    I also like that I now have the official names of the hair colors now lol.
  • LoriewhiteLoriewhite Posts: 16 Member
    I would really like to see more long full wavy hair with lots of texture like mods , (like real hair not cartoon)
  • SultanCanAliSultanCanAli Posts: 112 Member
    I love them all,but the male hair looks like something we already have in the game you should at least make a bit longer mens hair.
  • ItsJanierItsJanier Posts: 772 Member
    @Loriewhite if they did realistic looking hairstyles like that it wouldn't go together with TS4's art style.
    Tho I also wish that they would do longer and more wavy/curly type of hairstyles. The ones that came with C&D were great but I wish we had even longer hairstyles too.
  • CementCement Posts: 3,014 Member
    Ahhh I love the male hair :love: Long hairrr aaahh <3

    I also agree with @Suucherries for more variations of hair textures. At least one wavy, braided, dreaded or curly hair added would be amazing!
  • CunninghamCunningham Posts: 1,307 Member
    I would also like to see the sims 4 going in a different direction for male hairstyles...Most males have short hair,we don't have much choice when it comes to short male hair.
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  • MissNightOwlMissNightOwl Posts: 740 Member
    Loriewhite wrote: »
    I would really like to see more long full wavy hair with lots of texture like mods , (like real hair not cartoon)

    Like Alpha CC? The cartoon style is the official style of TS4. Doing the realistic hait wound't just make no sense, but it'd also be unprofessional, in my opinion.
    keekee53 wrote: »
    The hair looks great :) I was wondering if going forward we were able to choose the color of clips, ribbons etc. I like to match hair accessories to the clothing. I hate how I have to choose the clothing to make the hair accessory.

    Just to be clear, I would like my sim to be able to wear a black hair clip no matter what color her hair is.

    Oh, I agree with that. I love that TS4 hair are compatible with hats, but if we also could change colour of accesories, it'd be perfect.
  • GelysenGelysen Posts: 208 Member
    > @GrijzePilion said:
    > Interesting that you mention the "external partners".
    > I know asset creation is a thing that you guys have been (partially) outsourcing for longer, but I wonder in how much it contributes to certain stylistic inconsistencies I've noticed. In both TS3 and TS4 I've seen significant differences in asset quality and art style between different packs.

    That's prolly also why a lot of packs come with new wood types that don't match with any of the other ones. I hope they'll patch in some of those wood types on other existing pieces. Like for instance, I LOVE the new wood types that came with Cats and Dogs, but when trying to match that furniture with other wooden pieces from other packs, I find it hard to make it look like it's bought together other than it all looking like it came from flea markets.

    I do LOVE these hairs, especially the male hair is more than welcome in my game, also love the use of that hair clip, as I don't remember any of the other packs having one of those clips.
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  • simgirl1010simgirl1010 Posts: 8,463 Member
    Can't wait to see the top hair on my female sims!
  • rinre33rinre33 Posts: 455 Member
    Glad you explained why there wasn't a vote on hairstyles, it's actually always interesting to read a little more about how the design process looks and how things are implemented in game :)
    I'm a very big fan of the two feminine styles but the third brushed back one looks a bit too familiar to existing assets so I'm not really too keen. Shame there's nothing for kids but I guess this is a laundry pack so I wasn't really expecting anything anyway.
    Great job on details in this pack though, I like how the clipped back and pin up hair looks. MASSIVE improvement since base game, keep it up!
  • ScobreScobre Posts: 16,804 Member
    edited January 6
    Loriewhite wrote: »
    I would really like to see more long full wavy hair with lots of texture like mods , (like real hair not cartoon)

    Like Alpha CC? The cartoon style is the official style of TS4. Doing the realistic hait wound't just make no sense, but it'd also be unprofessional, in my opinion.
    keekee53 wrote: »
    The hair looks great :) I was wondering if going forward we were able to choose the color of clips, ribbons etc. I like to match hair accessories to the clothing. I hate how I have to choose the clothing to make the hair accessory.

    Just to be clear, I would like my sim to be able to wear a black hair clip no matter what color her hair is.

    Oh, I agree with that. I love that TS4 hair are compatible with hats, but if we also could change colour of accesories, it'd be perfect.
    There is actually a lot of Maxis Match CC that have more realistic looking hairs too. I think people want hairstyles that reflect their own more and in some cases there are colors they have or textures or lengths that they have that aren't represented in the game yet. Like when SimGuruDrake has her cool purple hair, you just can't get that deep rich purple in the game yet without the help of CC or making your own swatches. I'm all for more options in the Sims.
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