EA just needs to restore trust in the Maxis brand. Free toddlers would go a long way towards that.
If they continue running Maxis into the ground, its IPs will join the many others that EA killed or zombie-fied (as mobile money sinks) because they're too "niche". One more thing Mr. Hilleman said goes along the lines of "video games need to be more mass market". This thinking is what left Top 40 pop music, network TV, and Hollywood blockbuster movies so insipid.
Tastes are too diverse to find a lowest common denominator. EA should be Metallica, not Maroon 5 - making genre hits, not mass-market tripe.
Picture time! Sorry there is a CC visual glitch in it. This is my Space Cowgirl story which I'm able to do better with GTW.
So old save but Daisy James was ready to give birth to her third child. Their other two kids are named Jessie and Bo Peep. I'm weird and talk to my Sims sometimes, so some of the quoting are things I thought to tell the Sims. XD
Tanner is panicking and the first look at him being an alien. I think he makes a cute alien.
Daisy thinking "I hope I don't have this baby in the hallway."
"Tanner what are doing dancing? Come and help your wife down the hallway."
"What is that laser doing?"
"What is this Once Upon a Time? Trying to crush Daisy's heart machine?"
Doctor's hair is wigging out and somehow the bar is going through the baby's head.
Tanner back in disguise has his first look at his son Pee Wee.
Daisy holds her son Pee Wee for the first time.
What happens when I use the no crib mod and debug cheat. Pee Wee and Bo Peep become a two headed monster. Rawr!
Tanner's first look at his home planet.
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“Although the world is full of suffering, it is full also of the overcoming of it.” –Helen Keller
EA chose to use the money on something else in the basegame instead of toddlers. But I don't agree that everybody are hungry for toddlers. If EA had believed that they would have included them in the basegame instead of the multitasking or they would have made a toddler expanision by now. But I doubt strongly that EA will make them now because toddlers are very expensive to develop if they also shall have a suitable amount of interactions, clothes and objects to use - and even so people still won't pay for the toddlers. So I actually expect EA to develop other expansions instead
While toddlers might be expensive to develop, I do not think they would have stickied a thread about toddlers and ideas for toddlers if they had no interest/desire or plans to make them.
EA chose to use the money on something else in the basegame instead of toddlers. But I don't agree that everybody are hungry for toddlers. If EA had believed that they would have included them in the basegame instead of the multitasking or they would have made a toddler expanision by now. But I doubt strongly that EA will make them now because toddlers are very expensive to develop if they also shall have a suitable amount of interactions, clothes and objects to use - and even so people still won't pay for the toddlers. So I actually expect EA to develop other expansions instead
While toddlers might be expensive to develop, I do not think they would have stickied a thread about toddlers and ideas for toddlers if they had no interest/desire or plans to make them.
It's the first sign of listening that we've had in a very long time, which is definitely hopeful. I admit to cynicism on the matter after all this time, but I do hope that you are right and that it isn't just a pacifying move made by forum management. Even if some degree of pacification was needed - it's become such a sensitive subject.
I'm hoping (against my better judgement) that the delay in news right now is because they were going to announce Toddlers, and then they saw all the ideas in that stickied thread and went, "oh, we need to add a lot more stuff...." and so now they're working on some extra content & gameplay before the announcement ^_^
It is probably not the case, but I guess I am more of an optimist than I realised.
I think today will be a Sims 2 kind of day for me. I'm ready to sail away into a completely enthralling virtual reality.
I'm hoping (against my better judgement) that the delay in news right now is because they were going to announce Toddlers, and then they saw all the ideas in that stickied thread and went, "oh, we need to add a lot more stuff...." and so now they're working on some extra content & gameplay before the announcement ^_^
It is probably not the case, but I guess I am more of an optimist than I realised.
I think today will be a Sims 2 kind of day for me. I'm ready to sail away into a completely enthralling virtual reality.
EA chose to use the money on something else in the basegame instead of toddlers. But I don't agree that everybody are hungry for toddlers. If EA had believed that they would have included them in the basegame instead of the multitasking or they would have made a toddler expanision by now. But I doubt strongly that EA will make them now because toddlers are very expensive to develop if they also shall have a suitable amount of interactions, clothes and objects to use - and even so people still won't pay for the toddlers. So I actually expect EA to develop other expansions instead
While toddlers might be expensive to develop, I do not think they would have stickied a thread about toddlers and ideas for toddlers if they had no interest/desire or plans to make them.
No this gives hope and it is obvious that they will consider them when they make such a thread. The problem just is if they only wanted ideas to convince EA or if they really have a green light from EA to make them?
I would believe that it could be difficult - first to have EA's permission to omit them - and then later to get EA's accept to make a toddler GP to include them anyway. Especially because I would actually expect such a GP to get lower sales numbers than the other GPs.
EA chose to use the money on something else in the basegame instead of toddlers. But I don't agree that everybody are hungry for toddlers. If EA had believed that they would have included them in the basegame instead of the multitasking or they would have made a toddler expanision by now. But I doubt strongly that EA will make them now because toddlers are very expensive to develop if they also shall have a suitable amount of interactions, clothes and objects to use - and even so people still won't pay for the toddlers. So I actually expect EA to develop other expansions instead
While toddlers might be expensive to develop, I do not think they would have stickied a thread about toddlers and ideas for toddlers if they had no interest/desire or plans to make them.
I agree.
@Scobre I love the names of your babies. so original. I would love to see more of your story as the kids grow up.... lol I'm loving the name
@bethyGrace that's a possibility I have considered but with the toddler thread only just stickied.... I'm at a crossroads to what I think, however I would like to wonder down your path but my feet are currently stuck.
Once I get a perfect grow fruit I would have finished the challenge. But at my sim was new and doesn't have a high gardening skill I doubt that I will finish the challenge. I will say it was nice to play something silly and away from my usual style.
No this gives hope and it is obvious that they will consider them when they make such a thread. The problem just is if they only wanted ideas to convince EA or if they really have a green light from EA to make them?
I would believe that it could be difficult - first to have EA's permission to omit them - and then later to get EA's accept to make a toddler GP to include them anyway. Especially because I would actually expect such a GP to get lower sales numbers than the other GPs.
I actually wonder if there was permission to omit them, per say. It is far easier to get forgiveness than permission for anything.
I also hope that if it is toddlers is a focus for a GP/EP that the basics for toddlers are released via a patch. Walk/talk/learn to potty, some default outfits. Real just basic stuff. If toddlers are tied to a EP only then that means forget about any new content for them in any future packs released. That would be a huge disappointment. For an example, lets say they are tied to the EP only. Pets are released after the toddlers ... there would be no animations of pets interacting with toddlers. Packs are designed so that they do not rely on each other. Same with toddlers and seasons. They wouldn't make animations for a toddler playing in a pile of leaves since not everyone will have both packs.
Basic toddlers via patch, then flush the heck out of them in a pack. Give them a bunch of extras, throw in an idea or ten off the stickied thread and I don't think it will have lower sales numbers.
@Gruffman, the whole tied up thing Is not true. The team has added things through patches for packs before and even ghost which were patched in. It just has to do with coding and time. I think you should ask them first before saying this.
I know, everybody here is in for toddlers, but I also think a nice and good memory system like in Sims 2 could increase the family play fun! Sims could tell their kids/grandkids about their memories!
No this gives hope and it is obvious that they will consider them when they make such a thread. The problem just is if they only wanted ideas to convince EA or if they really have a green light from EA to make them?
I would believe that it could be difficult - first to have EA's permission to omit them - and then later to get EA's accept to make a toddler GP to include them anyway. Especially because I would actually expect such a GP to get lower sales numbers than the other GPs.
I actually wonder if there was permission to omit them, per say. It is far easier to get forgiveness than permission for anything.
I also hope that if it is toddlers is a focus for a GP/EP that the basics for toddlers are released via a patch. Walk/talk/learn to potty, some default outfits. Real just basic stuff. If toddlers are tied to a EP only then that means forget about any new content for them in any future packs released. That would be a huge disappointment. For an example, lets say they are tied to the EP only. Pets are released after the toddlers ... there would be no animations of pets interacting with toddlers. Packs are designed so that they do not rely on each other. Same with toddlers and seasons. They wouldn't make animations for a toddler playing in a pile of leaves since not everyone will have both packs.
Basic toddlers via patch, then flush the heck out of them in a pack. Give them a bunch of extras, throw in an idea or ten off the stickied thread and I don't think it will have lower sales numbers.
That would be acceptable and a good compromise for me. If they patch them in with the base stuff so content could be added in follow up eps/sp/gps/whatever's then I would considering buying the base and would definitely buy the ep with more goodies if I bought the base. Still no guarantee I'd buy the base as I'd really have to think about all the other things I'm not happy with in or out of Sims4 and origin. I guess I'd have to do one of my pro's/con's lists and see which side weighed heavier.
No this gives hope and it is obvious that they will consider them when they make such a thread. The problem just is if they only wanted ideas to convince EA or if they really have a green light from EA to make them?
I would believe that it could be difficult - first to have EA's permission to omit them - and then later to get EA's accept to make a toddler GP to include them anyway. Especially because I would actually expect such a GP to get lower sales numbers than the other GPs.
I actually wonder if there was permission to omit them, per say. It is far easier to get forgiveness than permission for anything.
I also hope that if it is toddlers is a focus for a GP/EP that the basics for toddlers are released via a patch. Walk/talk/learn to potty, some default outfits. Real just basic stuff. If toddlers are tied to a EP only then that means forget about any new content for them in any future packs released. That would be a huge disappointment. For an example, lets say they are tied to the EP only. Pets are released after the toddlers ... there would be no animations of pets interacting with toddlers. Packs are designed so that they do not rely on each other. Same with toddlers and seasons. They wouldn't make animations for a toddler playing in a pile of leaves since not everyone will have both packs.
Basic toddlers via patch, then flush the heck out of them in a pack. Give them a bunch of extras, throw in an idea or ten off the stickied thread and I don't think it will have lower sales numbers.
I doubt that Maxis would omit toddlers without an accept from EA. Everything points on Maxis being in extremely hard time trouble which resulted in the omission of toddlers, giving teens same height as adults and extreme simplification of babies. So there must have been negotiations between Maxis and EA where Maxis asked EA for a little more time and resources to finish the game. Those negotiations then must have resulted in an agreement where EA preferred the simplifications and omissions instead of a postponement of the release date.
I know that many people believe that toddlers in a GP/EP wouldn't get more objects and interactions in later expansions. But this isn't necessarily true which was proved in TS2 where EPs usually also added extra things which only could be used by people who also had the earlier EPs. So the problem could easily be solved that way.
About whatever is taking so long for the new gp or whatever is being worked on. A lot of people are waiting to hear news. But for me Im just all chill. Like Im not excited or anxiously waiting or anything. Im just here and when they anounce it then cool. But at the moment Im not upset or anything that nothing has been announced. Im just enjoying playing my sims 3 and 2 games right now. Sure it will be cool when they do say what they are working on. But at the moment Im not dwelling on it or anything. I guess cuz I dont care all that much at the moment. Im just enjoying my other games. Now Id freak out if toddlers had anything to do with it but I doubt that one. Im sure when they say what they are working on then Ill get excited. But for right now Im just enjoying my sims 3.
I believe the situation with Toddlers, pools, etc. was due to the former CEO of EA wanting everything online. At the time that Sims 4 was under development, everything was being geared toward online play where there wasn't much interaction between Sims themselves (we were supposed to provide that) and family stages weren't even included (again as we'd all be playing YAs instead of Elders, Teens, Toddlers or Babies). Remember that the game was in development well before SimCity 2013 came out and because of the backlash from the fans of that game, plus the change in the CEO, the Developers had to do some serious backpedaling to remove all traces of online features from Sims 4.
With the change in direction midstream, some things had to be left out in order to make the release date (like Pools and Toddlers et al.) While they probably were working at the time to add those features (many of which came back fairly shortly after the initial release), the final coding wasn't in place yet and needed tweaking from the get go. Those features weren't ready for the initial release.
Toddlers aren't easy to add unless they had been in the original conception from the beginning. And many of the interactions necessary for Toddlers require additional animations, and interactions etc that weren't part of the basic programming.
I would love for Toddlers to return and to have Family play expanded. For now, I'm content with Sims 2 & 3. And my other amusements which I probably shouldn't name on a Sims site as they are games made by other companies.
Second Star to the Right and Straight on 'til Morning.
While toddlers might be expensive to develop, I do not think they would have stickied a thread about toddlers and ideas for toddlers if they had no interest/desire or plans to make them.
Hi Gruffman,
EA has dangled too many things under our noses since before release that far too many of us considered clues that we would get toddlers. And the post may be just another "reaction" to all the "we want toddler" posts that were flooding the site again. So lets just gather them in one spot.
I hope you are right and I am wrong, but with the way things have been, I have doubts. Big Doubts.
Welcome back by the way.
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln
@Gruffman, the whole tied up thing Is not true. The team has added things through patches for packs before and even ghost which were patched in. It just has to do with coding and time. I think you should ask them first before saying this.
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I have no clue what you are talking about. I am not sure you read my post. I'm in left field.
If toddlers are released in an EP and not patched in I do not expect any future packs to have content for them. What is in the pack is what we get in the pack. I said I hoped that they are patched in first before the release of a pack with toddlers to flush them out. That way, they could be added to in future EP, GP or even a stuff pack.
In Sims3, Supernatural EP. Was anything added to any other packs for the supernaturals? Did the faeries, witches, zombies, werewolves get anything added? With world adventures, did we get any new places to visit like China, France or Egypt? Did they add anything to the marital arts? No. It was all tied to those EP.
No this gives hope and it is obvious that they will consider them when they make such a thread. The problem just is if they only wanted ideas to convince EA or if they really have a green light from EA to make them?
I would believe that it could be difficult - first to have EA's permission to omit them - and then later to get EA's accept to make a toddler GP to include them anyway. Especially because I would actually expect such a GP to get lower sales numbers than the other GPs.
I actually wonder if there was permission to omit them, per say. It is far easier to get forgiveness than permission for anything.
I also hope that if it is toddlers is a focus for a GP/EP that the basics for toddlers are released via a patch. Walk/talk/learn to potty, some default outfits. Real just basic stuff. If toddlers are tied to a EP only then that means forget about any new content for them in any future packs released. That would be a huge disappointment. For an example, lets say they are tied to the EP only. Pets are released after the toddlers ... there would be no animations of pets interacting with toddlers. Packs are designed so that they do not rely on each other. Same with toddlers and seasons. They wouldn't make animations for a toddler playing in a pile of leaves since not everyone will have both packs.
Basic toddlers via patch, then flush the heck out of them in a pack. Give them a bunch of extras, throw in an idea or ten off the stickied thread and I don't think it will have lower sales numbers.
Yes, I agree that would be a great way for them to do it, as long as the patch came hand-in-hand with the promise of more content coming soon. Then the "I won't pay for toddlers" camp will be satisfied (hopefully) and the "I'll pay for awesome toddlers" camp will also be satisfied.
But who knows. Apparently we're still going to be kept on waiting and waiting.... >_> This week at least, lol.
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So old save but Daisy James was ready to give birth to her third child. Their other two kids are named Jessie and Bo Peep. I'm weird and talk to my Sims sometimes, so some of the quoting are things I thought to tell the Sims. XD
Tanner is panicking and the first look at him being an alien. I think he makes a cute alien.
Daisy thinking "I hope I don't have this baby in the hallway."
"Tanner what are doing dancing? Come and help your wife down the hallway."
"What is that laser doing?"
"What is this Once Upon a Time? Trying to crush Daisy's heart machine?"
Doctor's hair is wigging out and somehow the bar is going through the baby's head.
Tanner back in disguise has his first look at his son Pee Wee.
Daisy holds her son Pee Wee for the first time.
What happens when I use the no crib mod and debug cheat. Pee Wee and Bo Peep become a two headed monster. Rawr!
Tanner's first look at his home planet.
While toddlers might be expensive to develop, I do not think they would have stickied a thread about toddlers and ideas for toddlers if they had no interest/desire or plans to make them.
It's the first sign of listening that we've had in a very long time, which is definitely hopeful. I admit to cynicism on the matter after all this time, but I do hope that you are right and that it isn't just a pacifying move made by forum management. Even if some degree of pacification was needed - it's become such a sensitive subject.
- Froggie
WIP: http://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/851667/australian-world-version-1-0-uploaded/p1
If they patch all your goodies I will buy the game.
The Cowboy and the Mermaid
lol...go use that edit button...might as well dream big!!!
The Cowboy and the Mermaid
It is probably not the case, but I guess I am more of an optimist than I realised.
I think today will be a Sims 2 kind of day for me. I'm ready to sail away into a completely enthralling virtual reality.
I am hoping against the same judgement.
I would believe that it could be difficult - first to have EA's permission to omit them - and then later to get EA's accept to make a toddler GP to include them anyway. Especially because I would actually expect such a GP to get lower sales numbers than the other GPs.
I agree.
@Scobre I love the names of your babies.
@bethyGrace that's a possibility I have considered but with the toddler thread only just stickied.... I'm at a crossroads to what I think, however I would like to wonder down your path but my feet are currently stuck.
Once I get a perfect grow fruit I would have finished the challenge. But at my sim was new and doesn't have a high gardening skill I doubt that I will finish the challenge. I will say it was nice to play something silly and away from my usual style.
I actually wonder if there was permission to omit them, per say. It is far easier to get forgiveness than permission for anything.
I also hope that if it is toddlers is a focus for a GP/EP that the basics for toddlers are released via a patch. Walk/talk/learn to potty, some default outfits. Real just basic stuff. If toddlers are tied to a EP only then that means forget about any new content for them in any future packs released. That would be a huge disappointment. For an example, lets say they are tied to the EP only. Pets are released after the toddlers ... there would be no animations of pets interacting with toddlers. Packs are designed so that they do not rely on each other. Same with toddlers and seasons. They wouldn't make animations for a toddler playing in a pile of leaves since not everyone will have both packs.
Basic toddlers via patch, then flush the heck out of them in a pack. Give them a bunch of extras, throw in an idea or ten off the stickied thread and I don't think it will have lower sales numbers.
That would be acceptable and a good compromise for me. If they patch them in with the base stuff so content could be added in follow up eps/sp/gps/whatever's then I would considering buying the base and would definitely buy the ep with more goodies if I bought the base. Still no guarantee I'd buy the base as I'd really have to think about all the other things I'm not happy with in or out of Sims4 and origin. I guess I'd have to do one of my pro's/con's lists and see which side weighed heavier.
The Cowboy and the Mermaid
I know that many people believe that toddlers in a GP/EP wouldn't get more objects and interactions in later expansions. But this isn't necessarily true which was proved in TS2 where EPs usually also added extra things which only could be used by people who also had the earlier EPs. So the problem could easily be solved that way.
Im a simmer forever
With the change in direction midstream, some things had to be left out in order to make the release date (like Pools and Toddlers et al.) While they probably were working at the time to add those features (many of which came back fairly shortly after the initial release), the final coding wasn't in place yet and needed tweaking from the get go. Those features weren't ready for the initial release.
Toddlers aren't easy to add unless they had been in the original conception from the beginning. And many of the interactions necessary for Toddlers require additional animations, and interactions etc that weren't part of the basic programming.
I would love for Toddlers to return and to have Family play expanded. For now, I'm content with Sims 2 & 3. And my other amusements which I probably shouldn't name on a Sims site as they are games made by other companies.
Hi Gruffman,
EA has dangled too many things under our noses since before release that far too many of us considered clues that we would get toddlers. And the post may be just another "reaction" to all the "we want toddler" posts that were flooding the site again. So lets just gather them in one spot.
I hope you are right and I am wrong, but with the way things have been, I have doubts. Big Doubts.
Welcome back by the way.
Abraham Lincoln
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I have no clue what you are talking about. I am not sure you read my post. I'm in left field.
If toddlers are released in an EP and not patched in I do not expect any future packs to have content for them. What is in the pack is what we get in the pack. I said I hoped that they are patched in first before the release of a pack with toddlers to flush them out. That way, they could be added to in future EP, GP or even a stuff pack.
In Sims3, Supernatural EP. Was anything added to any other packs for the supernaturals? Did the faeries, witches, zombies, werewolves get anything added? With world adventures, did we get any new places to visit like China, France or Egypt? Did they add anything to the marital arts? No. It was all tied to those EP.
Yes, I agree that would be a great way for them to do it, as long as the patch came hand-in-hand with the promise of more content coming soon. Then the "I won't pay for toddlers" camp will be satisfied (hopefully) and the "I'll pay for awesome toddlers" camp will also be satisfied.
But who knows. Apparently we're still going to be kept on waiting and waiting.... >_> This week at least, lol.