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CHALLENGE #144 - A Winter Festival Miracle
FORUM ID: Soloushen
ORIGIN ID: Woofhoof
LEVEL: Established
ROOM: Golden Christmas Bathroom
GALLERY COST: $13984
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: Golden Christmas Bathroom
ENTRY DETAILS: A Christmassy bathroom decked out with golden themed decorations, surely to get you into the Christmas Spirit! Featuring a bathtub, separate shower, toilet, sink and delicious throne.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: N/A
TWITTER TAG: (entirely optional but makes it easier for us to tag you)
FACEBOOK PROFILE https://www.facebook.com/louise.sutherland.9235
TUMBLR LINK: (entirely optional but makes it easier for us to tag you)
SPACE FOR PICTURES:
Lot cost 2000
Gallery Cost: 34437
My build cost: 34,437-2000=31,437
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/21UClu8
Pretty little one bedroom, one bath cottage. It has a lovely book nook, office area, wonderful kitchen, dining room. A cozy bath and bedroom, all decked out for the holidays.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes
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CHALLENGE #144 - A Winter Festival Miracle
FORUM ID: xamira99
ORIGIN ID: xamira99
LEVEL: Established
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Mid-Nowhere
NEW LOT LINK: Red Roof House
LOT COST: $1,500 - NA
GALLERY COST: $32,467
TOTAL COST: $33, 967 - NA
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: Red Roof House Pictures
ENTRY DETAILS: The Red Roof House is a three level house located on a small hill. The red roof is chosen as it makes the house looks stand out among the green & the blue sky. There's 3 different materials for the exterior, which are brick, woods, & normal paint. The house is also considered as a tiny residential lot with 99 tiles only.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Definitely, YES!
TWITTER TAG: xamira99
SPACE FOR PICTURES:
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CHALLENGE #144 -A Winter Festival Miracle
FORUM ID:xamira99
ORIGIN ID:xamira99
LEVEL: Established
ROOM: A Festive DIY Bathroom
GALLERY COST:$9,782
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW:A Festive DIY Bathroom Pictures
ENTRY DETAILS: A group of Miss Owen's students gathers together to give her a gift by crafting the tub, toilet, sink, mirror, & shelves for Miss Owen in the spirit of gifting.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: YES, please!
TWITTER TAG: xamira99
SPACE FOR PICTURES:
BUILD OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM CHALLENGE #144 - A Winter Festival Miracle
FORUM ID: AIRIS6962 ORIGIN ID: Airis6962 LEVEL: Master (That´s what sweet Christine says) SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Mid-Nowhere NEW LOT LINK:Rosehill Cottage LOT COST: $1,500 GALLERY COST: $30,875 TOTAL COST: $32,375 LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/ks4F0i8 ENTRY DETAILS: English cottage style building. CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes, but don´t be very hard, please. SPACE FOR PICTURES:
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CHALLENGE #144 - A Winter Festival Miracle
FORUM ID: EleneK
ORIGIN ID: EleneK
LEVEL: Beginner - Established (I’ll let you decide)
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Comfy Cubby
NEW LOT LINK: Recovery House
LOT COST: 1,500
GALLERY COST: 32,307
TOTAL COST: 33,807 (Lot cost was free so challenge cost = 32,307)
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/R8qYBsu
ENTRY DETAILS: Small 1 bed/1 bath Tudor Style Cottage. Single story so a recovering patient will not have to deal with stairs. Open concept.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes. This is only my third Sims 4 build. But I would like to know where I am short in getting my Sims 4 builds up to the level of my past Sims 3 builds.
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: No CC.
Packs used = Island Adventure, Get to Work, Movie Night Hangout, and Holiday Pack.
FACEBOOK PROFILE: https://www.facebook.com/lisa.baumer.3
FORUM ID: Alisim19
ORIGIN ID: Aliana101
LEVEL: Expert
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Mt Komorebi 20x15
NEW LOT LINK: https://www.ea.com/en-au/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/2DCAA5DE4BA311EB8FB084EC70211833
LOT COST: N/a
GALLERY COST: 32,118 …but I uploaded without the festive decorations doh. With decs it was 32,523, screenshot in slideshow
TOTAL COST: 32,523
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/oiVdDu7
ENTRY DETAILS:
Way out of practise and really short on time so this was a fun quick build playing with my new pack and platforms....I went for a minimalist Japanese cottage rather than a traditional cosy Christmas but I had huge fun and thoroughly enjoyed this challenge, thank you 😊
I decided that Ms Owens could live in Mt Komorebi, and while we didn’t manage to scrounge much furniture from the thrift stores, what we got was enough – especially when combined with the flooring and kitchen appliances we already had in stock. Limited time meant that while everything got playtested it does need moveobjects on to place properly.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Sure 😊
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: Not even any gallery art used this time!
SPACE FOR PICTURES: (Only a maximum of two per entry, please)
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CHALLENGE #144 - A Winter Festival Miracle
FORUM ID:@IllusoryThrall ORIGIN ID: Wyldhawke LEVEL: (Established? I think) SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Darkwing House (Britechester) NEW LOT LINK:https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/F8FB9659473611EB88276119CC9F00CD LOT COST: 1,500 GALLERY COST: 32,411 TOTAL COST: 32,411 (the lot cost was specifically stated that it wasn't included in total price.) LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW:https://illusorythrall.wordpress.com/2020/12/31/100daycreativity-day-9-build/ ENTRY DETAILS: Welcome to Bookworm Corner! This is a charity project for a local hero, a Literature Professor at the University of Britechester. It’s 1 bedroom, and 1 and a half bathrooms, and built with entirely donated materials, barely squeaking in under the budget for the build. (Shown in the second picture.) I adored this build, and had a terribly hard time getting things just right so that it still looked like a proper house but stayed in under the budget. Originally, the house had a garage and everything, but that made it too expensive and had to go. CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes Please CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: None used TWITTER TAG: IllusoryThrall FACEBOOK PROFILE: none TUMBLR LINK: none SPACE FOR PICTURES:
Calling all designers! It's time to show off your awesome skills in our Spring Designer Showdown!!!
INSTALL LOT FROM THE IN-GAME GALLERY: Search for Hashtag #BnS145. The lot is by SimTresa and is titled "Spring Designer Showdown"
In the showdown, you have a foundation to start with.. Place the lot on any lot sized 30x20 or larger, in any direction that will fit.
Your goal is to build a vacation retreat for either one person or a small family or group who want to celebrate in privacy or isolation, rather than having a huge party with lots of friends and family. The holiday can be any you like, for any season. Do make sure to show us exterior shots taken in summer, though. You may not add anything to increase the size of the foundation given, except if adding stairs makes you add a space. You can build only on the foundation given. You can put walls of any kind and fences anywhere you wish on the foundation.
Rules:
*NO changes to the foundation size or shape, except if adding stairs automatically adds a space.
*No basements.
*You can build in the yard as long as it is not attached to the house. Any required rooms cannot be off of the foundation.
*You can use any fences, walls, windows, and doors that you wish. You can designate any space on the foundation as a porch or room (so indoor or outdoor space).
*The lot must be fully landscaped.
The Brief:
The budget is $100,000 which includes the lot as is.
At least one bedroom
At least one bathroom.
A kitchen and place to eat.
Any other rooms or areas you wish to include.
The build can be as many floors as you want up but no basements.
Please include a picture of the ground floor from overhead with the grid on so that we can verify no changes were made to the foundation.
Due to the nature of this challenge, there is no sim or room challenge this month.
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Challenge Due Sunday, January 31st, no later than 23:59:59 EST/New York Time
I have a dumb question, can we mess with the foundation height and platforms? I would like to play with levels in this build.
You can add platforms on top of the foundation, but the foundation height itself has to stay the same. There's no such thing as a dumb question, how would you know the answer if you didn't ask?
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CHALLENGE – 145 FORUM ID: @icanhasims ORIGIN ID: icanhassims LEVEL: Established SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Coorinberg Cottage in Windenburg NEW LOT LINK: Lovers’ Getaway LOT COST: 3,000 GALLERY COST: 72,877 TOTAL COST: 75,877 LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://icanhassims.weebly.com/145-winter-designer-showdown.html ENTRY DETAILS:
This lovers' getaway cabin is ready for Love Day, with a massage room and onsen hot tub. All of this is surrounded by pristine forest and a natural pond in front. The red flashes of décor are designed to get the heart pumping and libido going for that special someone. CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Sure! PICTURES:
Hello BNSers! Do any of y'all have a go-to source for figuring out a lot's original name and base price without having to destroy everything or go to a fresh save game? I created an example of what I'm looking for with Willow Creek:
I know that there are lists but I can never visualize which plots go with which information. Any help would be much appreciated. I know it would be especially helpful for these challenges.
BUILD OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM CHALLENGE – 145 FORUM ID: @DeanXeL ORIGIN ID: DeanXeL LEVEL: none SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Brook Bungalow in Willow Creek NEW LOT LINK: https://www.ea.com/en-au/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/F9273DA3542711EB831CD434B4652DF6? LOT COST: 3,000 GALLERY COST: 96,933 TOTAL COST: 99,933 LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/IdYH0Op ENTRY DETAILS: This is a (basegame) southern plantation style getaway, a home away from home. Great place away from the busy city to have a relaxing stroll in the park, feed the koi in the pond or have a lazy day inside in this beautiful house with 3 bedrooms/bathrooms. This is the perfect retreat for a small family or a couple of friends. The weather is guaranteed sunny every day (with basegame ;) ) and perfectly enjoyable when having breakfast in the round sun room. CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes please, though after this challenge I am painfully aware my landscaping needs work... :) PICTURES: I am as of a few days ago a new member, so I do apologize for my limits as a contributor, one of them being unable to post straightforward pictures :) https://imgur.com/ndDcYTU https://imgur.com/CxaJxLi
BUILD OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM
CHALLENGE – 145
FORUM ID: @DeanXeL
ORIGIN ID: DeanXeL
LEVEL: none
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Brook Bungalow in Willow Creek
NEW LOT LINK: https://www.ea.com/en-au/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/F9273DA3542711EB831CD434B4652DF6?
LOT COST: 3,000
GALLERY COST: 96,933
TOTAL COST: 99,933
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/IdYH0Op
ENTRY DETAILS:
This is a (basegame) southern plantation style getaway, a home away from home. Great place away from the busy city to have a relaxing stroll in the park, feed the koi in the pond or have a lazy day inside in this beautiful house with 3 bedrooms/bathrooms. This is the perfect retreat for a small family or a couple of friends. The weather is guaranteed sunny every day (with basegame ) and perfectly enjoyable when having breakfast in the round sun room.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes please, though after this challenge I am painfully aware my landscaping needs work...
PICTURES:
I am as of a few days ago a new member, so I do apologize for my limits as a contributor, one of them being unable to post straightforward pictures https://imgur.com/ndDcYTU https://imgur.com/CxaJxLi
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CHALLENGE #144 - A Winter Festival Miracle
FORUM ID: Soloushen
ORIGIN ID: Woofhoof
LEVEL: Established
ROOM: Golden Christmas Bathroom
GALLERY COST: $13984
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: Golden Christmas Bathroom
ENTRY DETAILS: A Christmassy bathroom decked out with golden themed decorations, surely to get you into the Christmas Spirit! Featuring a bathtub, separate shower, toilet, sink and delicious throne.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: N/A
TWITTER TAG: (entirely optional but makes it easier for us to tag you)
FACEBOOK PROFILE https://www.facebook.com/louise.sutherland.9235
TUMBLR LINK: (entirely optional but makes it easier for us to tag you)
SPACE FOR PICTURES:
CHALLENGE #144-A Winter Festival Miracle
Forum ID: MaryKup
Origin ID: MaryKup
Level: Established
Link to lot: https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/EFF69694454711EB8FF784EC70211833?category=all&searchtype=ea_origin_id&sortby=downloads&time=all&searchquery=Marykup&max=50&maxis=false
Lot cost 2000
Gallery Cost: 34437
My build cost: 34,437-2000=31,437
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/21UClu8
Pretty little one bedroom, one bath cottage. It has a lovely book nook, office area, wonderful kitchen, dining room. A cozy bath and bedroom, all decked out for the holidays.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes
CHALLENGE #144 - A Winter Festival Miracle
FORUM ID: xamira99
ORIGIN ID: xamira99
LEVEL: Established
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Mid-Nowhere
NEW LOT LINK: Red Roof House
LOT COST: $1,500 - NA
GALLERY COST: $32,467
TOTAL COST: $33, 967 - NA
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: Red Roof House Pictures
ENTRY DETAILS: The Red Roof House is a three level house located on a small hill. The red roof is chosen as it makes the house looks stand out among the green & the blue sky. There's 3 different materials for the exterior, which are brick, woods, & normal paint. The house is also considered as a tiny residential lot with 99 tiles only.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Definitely, YES!
TWITTER TAG: xamira99
SPACE FOR PICTURES:
CHALLENGE #144 -A Winter Festival Miracle
FORUM ID:xamira99
ORIGIN ID:xamira99
LEVEL: Established
ROOM: A Festive DIY Bathroom
GALLERY COST:$9,782
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW:A Festive DIY Bathroom Pictures
ENTRY DETAILS: A group of Miss Owen's students gathers together to give her a gift by crafting the tub, toilet, sink, mirror, & shelves for Miss Owen in the spirit of gifting.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: YES, please!
TWITTER TAG: xamira99
SPACE FOR PICTURES:
Merry Christmas @BuildnShare team!
BUILD OFFICIAL ENTRY FORM
CHALLENGE #144 - A Winter Festival Miracle
FORUM ID: AIRIS6962
ORIGIN ID: Airis6962
LEVEL: Master (That´s what sweet Christine says)
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Mid-Nowhere
NEW LOT LINK: Rosehill Cottage
LOT COST: $1,500
GALLERY COST: $30,875
TOTAL COST: $32,375
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW:
https://imgur.com/a/ks4F0i8
ENTRY DETAILS: English cottage style building.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes, but don´t be very hard, please.
SPACE FOR PICTURES:
CHALLENGE #144 - A Winter Festival Miracle
FORUM ID: EleneK
ORIGIN ID: EleneK
LEVEL: Beginner - Established (I’ll let you decide)
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Comfy Cubby
NEW LOT LINK: Recovery House
LOT COST: 1,500
GALLERY COST: 32,307
TOTAL COST: 33,807 (Lot cost was free so challenge cost = 32,307)
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/R8qYBsu
ENTRY DETAILS: Small 1 bed/1 bath Tudor Style Cottage. Single story so a recovering patient will not have to deal with stairs. Open concept.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes. This is only my third Sims 4 build. But I would like to know where I am short in getting my Sims 4 builds up to the level of my past Sims 3 builds.
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: No CC.
Packs used = Island Adventure, Get to Work, Movie Night Hangout, and Holiday Pack.
FACEBOOK PROFILE: https://www.facebook.com/lisa.baumer.3
FORUM ID: Alisim19
ORIGIN ID: Aliana101
LEVEL: Expert
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Mt Komorebi 20x15
NEW LOT LINK: https://www.ea.com/en-au/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/2DCAA5DE4BA311EB8FB084EC70211833
LOT COST: N/a
GALLERY COST: 32,118 …but I uploaded without the festive decorations doh. With decs it was 32,523, screenshot in slideshow
TOTAL COST: 32,523
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/oiVdDu7
ENTRY DETAILS:
Way out of practise and really short on time so this was a fun quick build playing with my new pack and platforms....I went for a minimalist Japanese cottage rather than a traditional cosy Christmas but I had huge fun and thoroughly enjoyed this challenge, thank you 😊
I decided that Ms Owens could live in Mt Komorebi, and while we didn’t manage to scrounge much furniture from the thrift stores, what we got was enough – especially when combined with the flooring and kitchen appliances we already had in stock. Limited time meant that while everything got playtested it does need moveobjects on to place properly.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Sure 😊
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: Not even any gallery art used this time!
SPACE FOR PICTURES: (Only a maximum of two per entry, please)
CHALLENGE #144 - A Winter Festival Miracle
FORUM ID: @IllusoryThrall
ORIGIN ID: Wyldhawke
LEVEL: (Established? I think)
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Darkwing House (Britechester)
NEW LOT LINK: https://www.ea.com/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/F8FB9659473611EB88276119CC9F00CD
LOT COST: 1,500
GALLERY COST: 32,411
TOTAL COST: 32,411 (the lot cost was specifically stated that it wasn't included in total price.)
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://illusorythrall.wordpress.com/2020/12/31/100daycreativity-day-9-build/
ENTRY DETAILS: Welcome to Bookworm Corner! This is a charity project for a local hero, a Literature Professor at the University of Britechester. It’s 1 bedroom, and 1 and a half bathrooms, and built with entirely donated materials, barely squeaking in under the budget for the build. (Shown in the second picture.) I adored this build, and had a terribly hard time getting things just right so that it still looked like a proper house but stayed in under the budget. Originally, the house had a garage and everything, but that made it too expensive and had to go.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes Please
CREDIT FOR CC/RECOLORS: None used
TWITTER TAG: IllusoryThrall
FACEBOOK PROFILE: none
TUMBLR LINK: none
SPACE FOR PICTURES:
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Calling all designers! It's time to show off your awesome skills in our Spring Designer Showdown!!!
INSTALL LOT FROM THE IN-GAME GALLERY: Search for Hashtag #BnS145. The lot is by SimTresa and is titled "Spring Designer Showdown"
In the showdown, you have a foundation to start with.. Place the lot on any lot sized 30x20 or larger, in any direction that will fit.
Your goal is to build a vacation retreat for either one person or a small family or group who want to celebrate in privacy or isolation, rather than having a huge party with lots of friends and family. The holiday can be any you like, for any season. Do make sure to show us exterior shots taken in summer, though. You may not add anything to increase the size of the foundation given, except if adding stairs makes you add a space. You can build only on the foundation given. You can put walls of any kind and fences anywhere you wish on the foundation.
Rules:
*NO changes to the foundation size or shape, except if adding stairs automatically adds a space.
*No basements.
*You can build in the yard as long as it is not attached to the house. Any required rooms cannot be off of the foundation.
*You can use any fences, walls, windows, and doors that you wish. You can designate any space on the foundation as a porch or room (so indoor or outdoor space).
*The lot must be fully landscaped.
The Brief:
The budget is $100,000 which includes the lot as is.
At least one bedroom
At least one bathroom.
A kitchen and place to eat.
Any other rooms or areas you wish to include.
The build can be as many floors as you want up but no basements.
Please include a picture of the ground floor from overhead with the grid on so that we can verify no changes were made to the foundation.
Due to the nature of this challenge, there is no sim or room challenge this month.
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Challenge Due Sunday, January 31st, no later than 23:59:59 EST/New York Time
Your results are now available here
You can add platforms on top of the foundation, but the foundation height itself has to stay the same. There's no such thing as a dumb question, how would you know the answer if you didn't ask?
CHALLENGE – 145
FORUM ID: @icanhasims
ORIGIN ID: icanhassims
LEVEL: Established
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Coorinberg Cottage in Windenburg
NEW LOT LINK: Lovers’ Getaway
LOT COST: 3,000
GALLERY COST: 72,877
TOTAL COST: 75,877
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://icanhassims.weebly.com/145-winter-designer-showdown.html
ENTRY DETAILS:
This lovers' getaway cabin is ready for Love Day, with a massage room and onsen hot tub. All of this is surrounded by pristine forest and a natural pond in front. The red flashes of décor are designed to get the heart pumping and libido going for that special someone.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Sure!
PICTURES:
- The Sims 4 Planner
- The Sims 4 World Guide
My Sims 4 PortfolioI know that there are lists but I can never visualize which plots go with which information. Any help would be much appreciated. I know it would be especially helpful for these challenges.
Edit: @rosemow pointed me to this resource!! Whew
https://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/926082/qc-town-maps-sims-4/p1
- The Sims 4 Planner
- The Sims 4 World Guide
My Sims 4 PortfolioBeautiful looking cottage btw!
- The Sims 4 Planner
- The Sims 4 World Guide
My Sims 4 PortfolioYour results are now available here
CHALLENGE – 145
FORUM ID: @DeanXeL
ORIGIN ID: DeanXeL
LEVEL: none
SIMS 4 LOT NAME: Brook Bungalow in Willow Creek
NEW LOT LINK: https://www.ea.com/en-au/games/the-sims/the-sims-4/pc/gallery/F9273DA3542711EB831CD434B4652DF6?
LOT COST: 3,000
GALLERY COST: 96,933
TOTAL COST: 99,933
LINK TO ENTRY SLIDESHOW: https://imgur.com/a/IdYH0Op
ENTRY DETAILS:
This is a (basegame) southern plantation style getaway, a home away from home. Great place away from the busy city to have a relaxing stroll in the park, feed the koi in the pond or have a lazy day inside in this beautiful house with 3 bedrooms/bathrooms. This is the perfect retreat for a small family or a couple of friends. The weather is guaranteed sunny every day (with basegame ;) ) and perfectly enjoyable when having breakfast in the round sun room.
CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Yes please, though after this challenge I am painfully aware my landscaping needs work... :)
PICTURES:
I am as of a few days ago a new member, so I do apologize for my limits as a contributor, one of them being unable to post straightforward pictures :)
https://imgur.com/ndDcYTU
https://imgur.com/CxaJxLi
The pond should be fine, as long as it's not on the same level as the foundation.