All your pictures, examples & self-appointed sales pitches of unrelated objects are mute & unnecessary.
Pointing out common sense is not a sales pitch. If my comments are treated as unnecessary to you, then I can treat all of your complaints as mute and unnecessary if a fix is already in process.
And don't be making a comment saying "I'm entitled to my opinion and complaint", because just as much as you feel entitled to your complaint, I have just as much entitlement to argue with your opinion and complaint. Simple as that.
If there was no fix being worked on, then yes I can understand that, but why must people continue posting as if a fix is not coming?
While I understand after 3 weeks there is no fix uploaded and everything, clearly something has to be going wrong on their end, but that is for them to inform us that or not. Until then, we can just sit idly until a fix occurs, play our games and do something else, or be "productive" and argue in this thread every day.
And what is a carry cart? A Cart that you carry your goods
Yet I don't see my sim carry a decorative cart now do I?
A lot of The Sims 3 content, whether store or not doesn't function the way we want it to, and even if it's classified as decor, we shouldn't expect it to function. Does it mean we should treat it as broken? No.
*points and bows* Now, dear friends and simfans, please look at this cart. Doesn't it look like the perfect replacement for your car, to cart your produce to the supermarket like once upon a time? Does it look functional in the pictures? Nope, it doesn't. From its design to its positioning in the lot the viewer can deduce EASILY that it is decorative, like an old dysfunctional relic that has earned its second life as something nice to look at in your garden. Nostalgic appreciation ftw. It does exxactly what it is advertised for: it raises the visual value of the lot.
Now, let us look at the 'greenhouse': contemporary setting (clothes, furniture, streetlamps, modern sanitary objects) with old-style conservatory. It doesn't look defunct, au contraire, it looks like a very well restaurated and well maintained building. And now the deciding thing: there are plants shown growing inside the enclosed structure, even functioning growing stations with a lot of different plants, a living, green tree in the big middle structure. The viewer is led to conclude that the glass parts are indeed fulfilling the BASIC function of a green house, it is even labeled a greenhouse: to protect plants from weather.
There is no disclaimer stating that the lot is useless with Seasons. The pic shows summer, the text implies that content included on the lot has something to do with getting in the mood for the upcomming colder season. Fall follows summer. There is absolutly NO HINT that it isn't a real greenhouse.
Seasons is a widely anticipated and loved EP, EA Games has to know that a lot of people would want to use this lot in winter.
You can argue all you want but in Sims3 there are things in the decorative section that are anything but only decorative: f.ex: the planters. Which are connected to greenhouses. It isn't very surprising that another 'indoor-plants feature' could be found there AND serve more than a decorative purpose.
Intended or not, the add for the Stone Throw Greenhouse is a classic case of false advertising.
Pointing out common sense is not a sales pitch. If my comments are treated as unnecessary to you, then I can treat all of your complaints as mute and unnecessary if a fix is already in process.
If there was no fix being worked on, then yes I can understand that, but why must people continue posting as if a fix is not coming?
While I understand after 3 weeks there is no fix uploaded and everything, clearly something has to be going wrong on their end, but that is for them to inform us that or not. Until then, we can just sit idly until a fix occurs, play our games and do something else, or be "productive" and argue in this thread every day.
The fix is not "in process". It's done. We're just waiting on them to implement it. All your arguments you keep harping on are mute because it no longer matters what was or was not "coded" for in the beginning. It would appear that if there is a fix, that the coding has been changed. Copeland has stated the fix is done..so continuing your line of argument is pointless & irritating to not only myself but to others that have stated so. It's time to stop beating the dead horse.
Pointing out common sense is not a sales pitch. If my comments are treated as unnecessary to you, then I can treat all of your complaints as mute and unnecessary if a fix is already in process.
If there was no fix being worked on, then yes I can understand that, but why must people continue posting as if a fix is not coming?
While I understand after 3 weeks there is no fix uploaded and everything, clearly something has to be going wrong on their end, but that is for them to inform us that or not. Until then, we can just sit idly until a fix occurs, play our games and do something else, or be "productive" and argue in this thread every day.
The fix is not "in process". It's done. All your arguments you keep harping on are mute because it no longer matters what was or was not "coded" for in the beginning. The coding has been changed. Copeland has stated the fix is done..so continuing your line of argument is pointless & irritating to not only myself but to others that have stated so. It's time to stop beating the dead horse.
It's classified in process as it's clearly not updated to anything. If it is "done" then the fix would have been applied by now. The only thing we are waiting for is how they can apply the fix to a large group of people. Those who did not own the venue should not have a problem if they updated the files. But there is potential for those who do own it to have glitches.
Mimi that's what he does. Argues in a loop to try to enforce his ideas and beliefs upon others. I find it best to ignore it completely and only address it when his posts deteriorate into attacking another poster.
It's honestly not worth the expense of energy. When you do point out facts that show instances where his points are wrong, he will normally just ignore it and move on to another side of the argument, slightly twist his point or move on to another argument completely.
Just let him rant and rave about how he's right and others are wrong and have your discussions without him is the best advice.
It's best not to discuss anything if either party can't follow this:
Mimi that's what he does. Argues in a loop to try to enforce his ideas and beliefs upon others. I find it best to ignore it completely and only address it when his posts deteriorate into attacking another poster.
It's honestly not worth the expense of energy. When you do point out facts that show instances where his points are wrong, he will normally just ignore it and move on to another side of the argument, slightly twist his point or move on to another argument completely.
Just let him rant and rave about how he's right and others are wrong and have your discussions without him is the best advice.
It's best not to discuss anything if either party can't follow this:
Mimi that's what he does. Argues in a loop to try to enforce his ideas and beliefs upon others. I find it best to ignore it completely and only address it when his posts deteriorate into attacking another poster.
It's honestly not worth the expense of energy. When you do point out facts that show instances where his points are wrong, he will normally just ignore it and move on to another side of the argument, slightly twist his point or move on to another argument completely.
Just let him rant and rave about how he's right and others are wrong and have your discussions without him is the best advice.
You are right of course, as you have been on several different occasions MrHawk. And, I've seen that diagram somewhere before, or something similar to it. It fits this situation nicely. He can facepalm slap himself silly for all the good it will do. I'll move on.
Thought I would check in for an update. Nothing new Azn doing all he can to prove we are all wrong wanting a Greenhouse that does what a Greenhouse is supposed to do. I will just go back to playing Skyrim for another week. Now that is a good game.
Thought I would check in for an update. Nothing new Azn doing all he can to prove we are all wrong wanting a Greenhouse that does what a Greenhouse is supposed to do. I will just go back to playing Skyrim for another week. Now that is a good game.
Now let me point out the description that players want to argue that they are supposed to block weather:
Greenhouse Pieces:
You can finally achieve those gorgeous greenhouses you only see in gardening magazines! Mix-and-match these stunning greenhouse roof and window pieces 'til your heart's content.
Where does it state it blocks weather?
Please tell me where is says it doesn't block weather or function as a greenhouse. They promoted it as an actual greenhouse, not to mention they state ROOF PIECES in that description, therefore it is fair to expect ROOF PIECES to function as such. When was the last time you saw a "gorgeous greenhouse you only see in gardening magazines!" that didn't function as a greenhouse and was only for decoration purposes and let rain and snow through the roof?
The casino venue that you highlighted previously doesn't say it is weather resistant, or that it actually blocks weather, but I bet it does.
The more you try to convince people that you and EA are right and the rest of the world is wrong, you fail. Sure, that description you provided doesn't say it blocks weather, but it also doesn't say it doesn't.
OMG. I'm going batty with people saying "well it was advertised as a greenhouse so of COURSE we should assume roofs were free premium content."
Please work with me here and decide if this situation is at all plausible:
So the team thought "Let's release a venue with our premium content in it like we've done multiple times before."
The programmers/artists designed some really pretty glass windows and roof pieces.
They had gardening premium content.
So they put the premium content inside pretty glass windowed rooms with the glass roof, that most likely an artist designed.
So the team had venue to put up for sale, with glass windows and glass roofs and lots of plants in it.
Seriously, what else would you have named it?
They called it a greenhouse because it had the glass decor of a greenhouse with plants in it. That's what a greenhouse is so it makes perfect sense that they would name the thing that and refer to it as that.
So maybe, just maybe, when they released a venue with the name of greenhouse and referred to it as a greenhouse in their cute, fluffy little description, they did so because:
An artist, months ago, designed a pretty venue with glass walls, glass ceilings, plants and a garden theme. Wow. It looks like a greenhouse. Maybe that would be a totally logical name for it.
Seriously.
Was I the only person that saw it advertised for sale, noticed that the roofs weren't premium content, saw nothing about Seasons interaction or its blocking weather in the description, so decided to research on the forums before dropping nearly $20?
Was I the only person that saw it advertised for sale, noticed that the roofs weren't premium content, saw nothing about Seasons interaction or its blocking weather in the description, so decided to research on the forums before dropping nearly $20?
Based on the information they gave us, the only two premium content they told us were the PvZ Sunflower and the Gardening Station. Other than that, I don't think anything else was mentioned about the roofs at all. The past venues have given us pretty much 2 premium content items, nothing more so I wasn't surprised.
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I think the name itself doesn't make sense at all, no idea why it's called "Stones Throw" when obviously stones are not involved or part of the theme.
I say this now because I didn't think of it as a big deal, but honestly looking back I find it irrelevant to the theme to named it Stones Throw. Maybe they would have called it something "garden-themed" like the Botanical Garden Center or the Botanical Greenhouse (which obviously is still going to make players assume it's supposed to combat weather).
It's whatever, people can just continue with their delusions that it's "false advertising" when it's clearly not. I'm done with this whole arguing as honestly who knew so many people would just complain for illogical personal issues.
All in all, I think an improvement on advertising something like this needs to be changed, let alone the release time....
Now if you excuse me I'm going to enjoy MY GREENHOUSE that is clearly advertised to make my gardening time faster as ADVERTISED. :roll:
(not directing the last few bits at you evilsocklady)
Curiosity has me ask do you guys never get bored of arguing yourself round in circles?
It's either broken or it's not. They'll either fix it or they won't (and since Simgurucopeland said they're bringing out a fix, I'll go with the assumption that they're fixing it).
How does all the fist flailing going "Aaaaawwww, it's not fixed yet" "It's not fixed because it's not broken" "It's broken" "No, it's not" "Yes, it is" "It's not and there's nothing you can say that will change my mind"...rinse and repeat....change anything?
Curiosity has me ask do you guys never get bored of arguing yourself round in circles?
It's either broken or it's not. They'll either fix it or they won't (and since Simgurucopeland said they're bringing out a fix, I'll go with the assumption that they're fixing it).
How does all the fist flailing going "Aaaaawwww, it's not fixed yet" "It's not fixed because it's not broken" "It's broken" "No, it's not" "Yes, it is" "It's not and there's nothing you can say that will change my mind"...rinse and repeat....change anything?
I think the name itself doesn't make sense at all, no idea why it's called "Stones Throw" when obviously stones are not involved or part of the theme.
I say this now because I didn't think of it as a big deal, but honestly looking back I find it irrelevant to the theme to named it Stones Throw. Maybe they would have called it something "garden-themed" like the Botanical Garden Center or the Botanical Greenhouse (which obviously is still going to make players assume it's supposed to combat weather).
It's a reference to the phrase "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." Look at how much of the house is made out of glass.
Curiosity has me ask do you guys never get bored of arguing yourself round in circles?
It's either broken or it's not. They'll either fix it or they won't (and since Simgurucopeland said they're bringing out a fix, I'll go with the assumption that they're fixing it).
How does all the fist flailing going "Aaaaawwww, it's not fixed yet" "It's not fixed because it's not broken" "It's broken" "No, it's not" "Yes, it is" "It's not and there's nothing you can say that will change my mind"...rinse and repeat....change anything?
Especially since anyone arguing against it keeping out weather meaning it isn't broken is automatically disproven by the fact they're working to fix it to where it keeps out weather. You don't fix what isn't broken.
I think the name itself doesn't make sense at all, no idea why it's called "Stones Throw" when obviously stones are not involved or part of the theme.
I say this now because I didn't think of it as a big deal, but honestly looking back I find it irrelevant to the theme to named it Stones Throw. Maybe they would have called it something "garden-themed" like the Botanical Garden Center or the Botanical Greenhouse (which obviously is still going to make players assume it's supposed to combat weather).
It's a reference to the phrase "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." Look at how much of the house is made out of glass.
And the hilarity that the name of the venue should relate so brilliantly to this thread and forum has been an endless source of smiles.
You are right Hawk, he is ignoring every argument he doesn't like. I had a good laugh at the sock-poster too. Syntax and dictus are very near Azn's style and you know what a sockpuppet is on forums? An alter ego that is created to add weight to the main accounts arguments, either through drawing attention/sympathy as an antagonist or adding their voice when the opposition is too great in numbers. I wont say the two in this discussion are the same people necessarily, but the name of the supportive poster made me laugh loudly.
Let's just ignore him from now on. It's never productive to argue with fanatics.
Edit2 (first for spelling): I took the time yesterday to write a mass email to all my friends who play Sims3, I know I'm one of the few who takes the time to visit the forums, especially the English one.
"Have you seen that nice looking greenhouse venture in the shop? Just thought I'd warn you cause I know that at least two of you thought about buying it as christmas gifts: the conseratory as shown in the pics isn't functional so if you expect it to work like a greenhouse you will be disappointed. Gurus said they'll look into it. If you want it, buy it when it is fixed. I'll start another chain as soon as I see mention of it being fixed. Write your own simfriends and ask them to do the same themseves so we can prevent a lot of disappointment."
Why don't we all do something like that? Can we send in-game post to friends? I don't have a lot ^^ but that would get the word out to people who don't frequent the forum.
That's the FIRST thing you've said in this entire thread that I can agree with!
Please do not snip a phrase because that is not actually what I said. :roll:
But it is the most sensible thing I've read from Azn yet. Good point Mimi.
I must admit though that this thread has made me laugh often. I just have difficulty coping with someone constantly insisting on arguing that something isn't broken when the people who made it have already said they will fix it.
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Pointing out common sense is not a sales pitch. If my comments are treated as unnecessary to you, then I can treat all of your complaints as mute and unnecessary if a fix is already in process.
And don't be making a comment saying "I'm entitled to my opinion and complaint", because just as much as you feel entitled to your complaint, I have just as much entitlement to argue with your opinion and complaint. Simple as that.
If there was no fix being worked on, then yes I can understand that, but why must people continue posting as if a fix is not coming?
While I understand after 3 weeks there is no fix uploaded and everything, clearly something has to be going wrong on their end, but that is for them to inform us that or not. Until then, we can just sit idly until a fix occurs, play our games and do something else, or be "productive" and argue in this thread every day.
*points and bows* Now, dear friends and simfans, please look at this cart. Doesn't it look like the perfect replacement for your car, to cart your produce to the supermarket like once upon a time? Does it look functional in the pictures? Nope, it doesn't. From its design to its positioning in the lot the viewer can deduce EASILY that it is decorative, like an old dysfunctional relic that has earned its second life as something nice to look at in your garden. Nostalgic appreciation ftw. It does exxactly what it is advertised for: it raises the visual value of the lot.
Now, let us look at the 'greenhouse': contemporary setting (clothes, furniture, streetlamps, modern sanitary objects) with old-style conservatory. It doesn't look defunct, au contraire, it looks like a very well restaurated and well maintained building. And now the deciding thing: there are plants shown growing inside the enclosed structure, even functioning growing stations with a lot of different plants, a living, green tree in the big middle structure. The viewer is led to conclude that the glass parts are indeed fulfilling the BASIC function of a green house, it is even labeled a greenhouse: to protect plants from weather.
There is no disclaimer stating that the lot is useless with Seasons. The pic shows summer, the text implies that content included on the lot has something to do with getting in the mood for the upcomming colder season. Fall follows summer. There is absolutly NO HINT that it isn't a real greenhouse.
Seasons is a widely anticipated and loved EP, EA Games has to know that a lot of people would want to use this lot in winter.
You can argue all you want but in Sims3 there are things in the decorative section that are anything but only decorative: f.ex: the planters. Which are connected to greenhouses. It isn't very surprising that another 'indoor-plants feature' could be found there AND serve more than a decorative purpose.
Intended or not, the add for the Stone Throw Greenhouse is a classic case of false advertising.
I don't see any statements about this and Seasons.
I should have said this to begin with, I'm an idiot for rambling on if I can just simply point this out instead. *facepalm*
The fix is not "in process". It's done. We're just waiting on them to implement it. All your arguments you keep harping on are mute because it no longer matters what was or was not "coded" for in the beginning. It would appear that if there is a fix, that the coding has been changed. Copeland has stated the fix is done..so continuing your line of argument is pointless & irritating to not only myself but to others that have stated so. It's time to stop beating the dead horse.
This is the FIRST thing you have said in this entire thread that I agree with! Glad you finally admit it.
It's classified in process as it's clearly not updated to anything. If it is "done" then the fix would have been applied by now. The only thing we are waiting for is how they can apply the fix to a large group of people. Those who did not own the venue should not have a problem if they updated the files. But there is potential for those who do own it to have glitches.
That's the FIRST thing you've said in this entire thread that I can agree with!
It's honestly not worth the expense of energy. When you do point out facts that show instances where his points are wrong, he will normally just ignore it and move on to another side of the argument, slightly twist his point or move on to another argument completely.
Just let him rant and rave about how he's right and others are wrong and have your discussions without him is the best advice.
It's best not to discuss anything if either party can't follow this:
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You are right of course, as you have been on several different occasions MrHawk. And, I've seen that diagram somewhere before, or something similar to it. It fits this situation nicely. He can facepalm slap himself silly for all the good it will do. I'll move on.
Bethesda never breaks anything, either!
Please tell me where is says it doesn't block weather or function as a greenhouse. They promoted it as an actual greenhouse, not to mention they state ROOF PIECES in that description, therefore it is fair to expect ROOF PIECES to function as such. When was the last time you saw a "gorgeous greenhouse you only see in gardening magazines!" that didn't function as a greenhouse and was only for decoration purposes and let rain and snow through the roof?
The casino venue that you highlighted previously doesn't say it is weather resistant, or that it actually blocks weather, but I bet it does.
The more you try to convince people that you and EA are right and the rest of the world is wrong, you fail. Sure, that description you provided doesn't say it blocks weather, but it also doesn't say it doesn't.
I don't know how clear I can be on that. :roll:
Common sense and logic would show that the greenhouse would be advertised as:
"and with the new greenhouse, you will be able to continue growing and harvesting crops during any season"
But it didn't say that now did it?
Please do not snip a phrase because that is not actually what I said. :roll:
Please work with me here and decide if this situation is at all plausible:
So the team thought "Let's release a venue with our premium content in it like we've done multiple times before."
The programmers/artists designed some really pretty glass windows and roof pieces.
They had gardening premium content.
So they put the premium content inside pretty glass windowed rooms with the glass roof, that most likely an artist designed.
So the team had venue to put up for sale, with glass windows and glass roofs and lots of plants in it.
Seriously, what else would you have named it?
They called it a greenhouse because it had the glass decor of a greenhouse with plants in it. That's what a greenhouse is so it makes perfect sense that they would name the thing that and refer to it as that.
So maybe, just maybe, when they released a venue with the name of greenhouse and referred to it as a greenhouse in their cute, fluffy little description, they did so because:
An artist, months ago, designed a pretty venue with glass walls, glass ceilings, plants and a garden theme. Wow. It looks like a greenhouse. Maybe that would be a totally logical name for it.
Seriously.
Was I the only person that saw it advertised for sale, noticed that the roofs weren't premium content, saw nothing about Seasons interaction or its blocking weather in the description, so decided to research on the forums before dropping nearly $20?
Based on the information they gave us, the only two premium content they told us were the PvZ Sunflower and the Gardening Station. Other than that, I don't think anything else was mentioned about the roofs at all. The past venues have given us pretty much 2 premium content items, nothing more so I wasn't surprised.
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I think the name itself doesn't make sense at all, no idea why it's called "Stones Throw" when obviously stones are not involved or part of the theme.
I say this now because I didn't think of it as a big deal, but honestly looking back I find it irrelevant to the theme to named it Stones Throw. Maybe they would have called it something "garden-themed" like the Botanical Garden Center or the Botanical Greenhouse (which obviously is still going to make players assume it's supposed to combat weather).
It's whatever, people can just continue with their delusions that it's "false advertising" when it's clearly not. I'm done with this whole arguing as honestly who knew so many people would just complain for illogical personal issues.
All in all, I think an improvement on advertising something like this needs to be changed, let alone the release time....
Now if you excuse me I'm going to enjoy MY GREENHOUSE that is clearly advertised to make my gardening time faster as ADVERTISED. :roll:
(not directing the last few bits at you evilsocklady)
It's either broken or it's not. They'll either fix it or they won't (and since Simgurucopeland said they're bringing out a fix, I'll go with the assumption that they're fixing it).
How does all the fist flailing going "Aaaaawwww, it's not fixed yet" "It's not fixed because it's not broken" "It's broken" "No, it's not" "Yes, it is" "It's not and there's nothing you can say that will change my mind"...rinse and repeat....change anything?
*Claps*
It's a reference to the phrase "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones." Look at how much of the house is made out of glass.
Especially since anyone arguing against it keeping out weather meaning it isn't broken is automatically disproven by the fact they're working to fix it to where it keeps out weather. You don't fix what isn't broken.
And the hilarity that the name of the venue should relate so brilliantly to this thread and forum has been an endless source of smiles.
Let's just ignore him from now on. It's never productive to argue with fanatics.
Edit2 (first for spelling): I took the time yesterday to write a mass email to all my friends who play Sims3, I know I'm one of the few who takes the time to visit the forums, especially the English one.
"Have you seen that nice looking greenhouse venture in the shop? Just thought I'd warn you cause I know that at least two of you thought about buying it as christmas gifts: the conseratory as shown in the pics isn't functional so if you expect it to work like a greenhouse you will be disappointed. Gurus said they'll look into it. If you want it, buy it when it is fixed. I'll start another chain as soon as I see mention of it being fixed. Write your own simfriends and ask them to do the same themseves so we can prevent a lot of disappointment."
Why don't we all do something like that? Can we send in-game post to friends? I don't have a lot ^^ but that would get the word out to people who don't frequent the forum.
But it is the most sensible thing I've read from Azn yet. Good point Mimi.
I must admit though that this thread has made me laugh often. I just have difficulty coping with someone constantly insisting on arguing that something isn't broken when the people who made it have already said they will fix it.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuW44b3uCMtCSaq4gwC8EZg