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    KarinLKarinL Posts: 3,989 Member
    edited March 2011
    Every time I have a world older than about four or five weeks, I start experiencing lag issues. I will then get 'freezing' Sims (Sim is frozen, the trees, etc. keep moving), and sometimes I will crash to the desktop for no apparent reason.

    More than half of my crashes happen when I'm changing clothes on a Sim (dresser or stylist).

    My info:
    - 3.06 gHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor
    - 4 GB RAM
    - Nvidea
    - Mac OSX 10.5.8

    I have all the EPs and SPs.

    On one account I use mods, the largest of which are:
    - Twallan's MC and Overwatch
    - Twallan's SP and all extra modules
    - Twallan's Relativity and Register mods

    I also have a lot of smaller mods, mostly things to fix issues like annoying sound or visual effects, and Buzz Digsite Fixer for WA (why can't EA fix their own digsites?)

    On that same account I have a moderate to large amount of cc and store content.

    NOTE: *On my other account on the same computer I have no mods and no cc and the same issues.*

    Very often my freeze issues will result in crashes to the desktop. "Quit and Save" often makes my game crash as well - and in that case very often both the save game and the backup are corrupted an unuseable.

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    crinrictcrinrict Posts: 18,771 Member
    edited March 2011
    Compiled some info in the second post. I did it from memory so there might be info missing yet. I will go through all your posts and add info I find important later.
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    45rpm45rpm Posts: 2,606 Member
    edited March 2011
    Crincit
    Do you think in your opinion that Cache clearing does anything one way or the other.
    Im doimg it but I still eventually get my issues. Just takes longer
    Just exactly what do the 4 caches do. I think that and unloading the little
    bit of CC from the exchange I had helped a bit but definately did not fix.

    Im a one family game player and Im really inclined to stick to them until they die.
    VEry rarely change and when I do try to change if Im well into a game it freezes
    in overhead and my family im changing from just disappears.
    Could playing a family in the same house for a long period raise issues? It shouldnt but perhaps there is a issue there for some of us.

    Karini, my game does not crash to desktop if I quit and save. Nothing gives me
    that issue at all. We are different there but the rest of your opening paragraph
    I get.
    My game is just going to give up the ghost again. I can tell because
    my Sim was invited to a party. Hes a rock star so limo shows up. He gets
    in and it sits and sits and sits. I cancelled it and still nothing but then
    it fixed and he got out and went to the party in his own car fine
    Thats a sign however its going to start messing up.

    No mods no cc Windows XP all drivers updated 86% of memory clear

    I shall forge on however.
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    AndreeAndreeAndreeAndree Posts: 307
    edited March 2011
    Side note on the invisible sims I've had. One turned invisible and then turned visible again, on her own. And in another game, the same thing, after turning invisible, he became visible on his own.

    Also, I have never seen thought clouds over my invisible sims. When they are invisible, they are GONE. I did instruct the Mr in one game to get the mail after going invisible, and he did, the mailbox opened, was open for awhile, and then was closed, all without seeing a person or a thought cloud doing it.
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    caspinwallcaspinwall Posts: 916 Member
    edited March 2011
    I’ve had that too Andree – invisible sims who reappeared (hoorah!) but then turned invisible again (booo!). Last time I tried to play my main game there was a neighbour who had turned invisible indefinitely - I only spotted him because his thought bubbles were floating above the lawn outside his house. However the freezing-up in that game is so bad now that I cannot play it any more, so I can’t investigate further with those sims.

    I did test an invisible sim that I could still control – I could open the fridge (just see the door opening and closing) and I could send him to sleep in his bed, which would create a bump in his blankets to show that his body was lying in bed but he himself was still invisible. Looked really weird. Also if I right-clicked him to lock the camera onto the invisible sim and then walk about, the camera would go up and down stairs and around and about with the sim.
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    crinrictcrinrict Posts: 18,771 Member
    edited March 2011
    @45rpm: I honestly don't know what is stored in those cache files. I don't know enough about the internals of the game. Since deleting them forces the game to newly create several information that gets rid of glitches you have.

    Internet cache also stores some info so that you can access a certain page faster, sometimes you might miss new info because of this and you have to refresh your page.

    So if a cache file has outdated info or inconsistent data in there that causes the game to glitch, deleting those could very well solve your problem for the moment. But as you say, it obviously eventually comes back so it can't be all in those files.

    @AndreeAndree: That is curious. If the outfit is corrupted that should not have anything to do with the thought bubbles. It does seem that there are other reasons for invisible sims than that. I have seen blinking Sims as well that seemed to get reset a lot hence making them appear and disappear very fast (this might also be true for frozen Sims. They just seem frozen, actually they are just reset really fast in some infinite loop).

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    AndreeAndreeAndreeAndree Posts: 307
    edited March 2011
    @crinrict, I took pictures. One is here, it was a major town freeze though, where Mr. froze, his cell phone disappeared, his Mrs disappeared. She was trying to use the computer next to him, after he froze. And she reappeared near the portable stereo seen in the background of the picture past the sofa:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/96179754@N00/5519029812/

    No thought bubbles coming from her, and she had been impatient with him since he was frozen and not moving.

    And this image was of a Mr, Mrs, and toddler, right after they disappeared. Not one has a thought bubble:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/96179754@N00/5493815499/

    It's just a yard. Yet he had gone to pick up the mail after that. And Mrs reappeared on her own. I haven't had invisible townspeople that I know of, as they wouldn't be seen. And I haven't seen any thought clouds walking down the street on their own.

    There was something else that happened too. When I moved the family from the smaller house to the larger one, the painting on the easel disappeared. But it was still there as the sim continued to paint the invisible painting. After awhile it said it was done. So I had the sim take the painting. And then I dragged it back out of their inventory to put it on the wall and frame it. And it showed up visible again.

    And the first picture I posted in this thread, #200 shows Mr holding on to an invisible cell phone.

    I'm still running epic lifespan, but I'm keeping aging on. I began to wonder if that was part of the problem. I also discovered that it was a life plant seed that had been preventing one of the sims from going to the store. That seed bug seems to have been fixed. I haven't had it for awhile.
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    AndreeAndreeAndreeAndree Posts: 307
    edited March 2011
    second try:

    Regarding the cache theory:

    The CASPartCache always seems to stay at 4 KB. Tiny.

    Currently, my ScriptCache.package is at 1.9 MB.
    CompositorCache.package is at 20.3 MB.
    And the simCompositorCache.package is at a whopping 202.1 MB.

    All created on 3/27/11, which was the last time I cleaned them out, after the bed bug screenshots were taken, which was at 5:00 am 3/27/11.

    I'm up to week 9, day 3 of a new game (on epic lifespan) and that is how much has accumulated. Two hundred MB seems rather excessive, doesn't it?

    The people that are playing for long term families, at this rate, it would be a staggering amount of cache occupied, and would seem to be a good reason for the game to lag...while the computer goes through all that cache.

    Meanwhile, deleting the cache doesn't seem to hamper game play at all. So what IS being held in that 200 MB?

    It would seem to be a "memory leak" kind of thing. Something that the game should dump on it's own, and it isn't doing this. And because of that, the game will get stubborn and slow and problematic. The game will still want to put something aside, but it's slowly eating away available space, which isn't good.

    I am hoping that all of us talking about this problem will somehow help the techs and developers. That they'll have an AHA moment after reading the comments and looking at specs and pictures.

    It might be interesting to know just how big that simCompositorCache.package can get.
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    crinrictcrinrict Posts: 18,771 Member
    edited March 2011
    Mine is 500 MB. I don't play atm and the modified date is from 3/6/11. Since I've been trying out other peoples save games, I don't know what I did then or when I last deleted my cache files.

    Also I'm using Any Game Starter so I have about 10 different setups. The one I'm talking about is my normal game that has all the mods I play with.

    MTS has a little table here. That might help: http://www.simswiki.info/wiki.php?title=Game_Help:Sims_3_Delete_Cache_Files

    Scroll down to the manual way.
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    CoffeeChick0CoffeeChick0 Posts: 2,294 New Member
    edited March 2011
    I think the mention of style of game play interesting. I also tend to play one family. Now that doesn't mean I stick to one house/lot for that whole duration.

    I start with a single sim or couple, they have kids, kids grow up and then as the original sims age I pick one household child and have them move out and I start all over again.

    This is how I was playing up until the LN Patch ate my saved files with invisible sims and missing control panel. I have since attempted to try again and after a few sim weeks something corrupts in my game again. This time, just this week, I found everyone in town spawning to one lot. As I said earlier in this thread resetsim didn't work as sims would spawn right back to this lot.

    I did have several screenshots but after I cleaned out cache files my screenshots were also gone. Why? I never touched the screenshot folder.

    Frankly, I am getting well beyond frustrated. I no longer see the point of this game if I can't get beyond a certain stage. Like someone above mentioned, it's like getting to the end of a movie only to have the ending blacked out.
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    psmwebpsmweb Posts: 12 New Member
    edited March 2011
    I have read all posts and cant find any help. I have had this freezing issue several times, last time I did manage to escape it, just because I move to another lot. It worked for couple of weeks. Now it is back. I notice the crowd beeing infront of the school and did reset all sims with resetsim *, they were gone. The save game is from 8.15 in the morning and the lag starts at 12.15 or something. Always the same, no matter what I do. I uninstall all custom content, did edit town(Playing In Sunset Valley), evict almoust half the town, save it, and continiu, but still at 12.15 it happens the invisible and the reseting sims. I have all EP and SP, I did install all at once from the download manager, bought especially new computer for this game, and now??? I dont want to install mods, as I think is a cheat, but what should I do now, wate for patch? I just start to enjoy the game. I play one family, high age lifespan, story on. I notice another things, cause I add some bars at Sunset Valley, they did run fine, but sims get stuck in their way to the elevators after closing time. Nothing helps. My computer is Windows 7, 64 bits, 4 GB ram, Having only the game installed on the harddrive, 1 GB of videocard Nvidia, processor I5 at 2,66 Ghz. So Ill try now if nothing works to move again and loose everything on the new lot I build, or Ill just reset town with the mod , get all my money, sell all properties and move to other town, cause I bought Bynacle Bay. Will see there what will happen.
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    CoffeeChick0CoffeeChick0 Posts: 2,294 New Member
    edited March 2011
    Ok, I deleted cache files again and went back into my game. Here is a screenshot of the lot in which the towns folks are spawning to. I had deleted the night club that was there hoping it might get them to stop showing up but it didn't. As you can see, many invisible sims on this lot. I think this is the most invisible sims I've ever had in my game to-date.

    As mentioned, this is yet another saved game to hit the trash!

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    caspinwallcaspinwall Posts: 916 Member
    edited March 2011
    Crumbs! There are a lot of invisi-sims in that photo!

    I have been deleting the four caches after each time I play. I can't really tell whether it's helping, though. I'm still getting lag and freezing, that's for sure, in fact it seems to be getting worse.

    Still only in sim week 3 of my current game - lag and freezing since day 1, no invisibility as yet but one instance of merged sims and a few minor glitches (a meal vanished from the cooker and my sim, only while pregnant, would not spin back into her maternity clothes after taking a shower).
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    AndreeAndreeAndreeAndree Posts: 307
    edited March 2011
    As you can see, many invisible sims on this lot. I think this is the most invisible sims I've ever had in my game to-date.

    Wow!

    Was it a "stock" nightclub that went in?

    Suggestion to everyone, uninstall Late Night. That one Expansion Pack is a major problem. Then try playing the base game and whatever else you have.

    World Adventures is another one that is problematic. Both had bad reviews for being bug-filled, and still seem to be that way.

    Question for everyone: Those who have had multiple invisible sims with thought clouds, are you running late night?

    I have NOT had that (multiple invisible sims), just my own family disappearing, and I do NOT have Late Night. Or World Adventures. I only have the base game and Ambitions.
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    AndreeAndreeAndreeAndree Posts: 307
    edited March 2011
    I'm in week 11, and just had both my fellas get married in the Goode and Bad household in Twinbrook. They both married policewomen, one of which had no home address.

    They are all living at the Goode and Bad home, and I've started to have symptoms, lagging or jerky moments. The base of the TV not appearing. The music is not audible. The TV sometimes is on, and being watched, but no image appears on the TV.

    I had done some work under the house, as there was a little pond there. I thought I would make it deeper and have a little cool, green, shady grotto down there for practicing fishing. They can fish even if there are no fish (yet).

    And here's my first attempt at fishing under the house:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/96179754@N00/5577201096/

    Yes, one of the new Mrs is fishing through the floor. Floor fishing. Mr. actually descended the stairs and is under the house shown here:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/96179754@N00/5576616551

    I don't know if this is part of the problems we've been having or just something else. Maybe the developers didn't think anyone would do anything with the area under the house.
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    amywelshcastleamywelshcastle Posts: 344
    edited March 2011
    The sims in my game have literally only just started disappearing and getting stuck, it's strange. I'm having general PC problems at the moment so I don't know if that's to do with it (every program I try to use crashes - I'm getting it cleaned out in a couple of days.) It's been a while since I installed anything new (patches, games) and it was working fine after them, so I don't know what went wrong.

    Sometimes resetsim works, but I've had to do it a couple of times. For example my sims got stuck in bed, I reset them and they were still laying down, just in mid air, reset them again and they just stood there, and eventually the started working again themselves.

    I've had the problem of Sims in the town getting stuck too - I checked out the school and there were loads of children stuck at the entrance, I reset them all but it will probably happen again. My Sims are also doing that disappearing, and then not listening to commands, doing as they want, disappearing again, thing.

    My computer specs are fine, as I said, it just started happening... no idea what to do. It only seems to happen occasionally, yesterday the game was playable but I just tried it and ugh, impossible.

    I have all SP/EPs, and my only 'mods' are from the store.
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    ArchieBNorrisArchieBNorris Posts: 320 New Member
    edited March 2011
    Have you already opened your launcher and check your installed folder for Third Pary CC, if not I would suggest you do that and delete it. and try running you game again.
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    nickibitswardnickibitsward Posts: 3,115 Member
    edited March 2011
    Hi: Andree - I'm not sure uninstalling LateNight is the answer because I tried that and it helped for a week then a friend gifted me the Outdoor Living SP and once installed, my Sim immediately froze and went invisible.

    That's why I keep thinking the problem is either LateNight or the update immediately preceding it. (i'm not sure how to just uninstall that update but
    think Outdoor Living might bring it with it, anyway).

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    nickibitswardnickibitsward Posts: 3,115 Member
    edited March 2011
    Hi: as for style of gameplay, I had - before everything went south - eight families that I switched back and forth between all the time. Never a problem until LateNight or the fatal update prior to it.

    I play with Story Progression off, aging off. Free will set to High. The graphics options were automatically set to High for everything when I installed the game but I have turned some down to medium, like the trees and draw-distance, etc. Edge scrolling is on.
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    45rpm45rpm Posts: 2,606 Member
    edited March 2011
    Hiya Nick
    How are things with you
    I got the problem before I had late night or ambitions
    I got it right after the patch before late night so I agree
    that uninstalling would not help one iota or it wont for me.
    After that I got both for Christmas and installed them both
    Still had the problems and they were really not any worse
    The longer I played the worse it got with or without those addons
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    caspinwallcaspinwall Posts: 916 Member
    edited March 2011
    Sounds like Nicki and I play in almost diametrically opposed ways but get the same glitches. Weird hey. Maybe nothing to do with playing style then...

    If the problem is attached to a patch, it would be great if EA could release a temporary un-patch while they work on this.

    I uninstalled/reinstalled so many times while in correspondence with customer support that I'm not sure I can bear to do it again just yet. When I do summon the energy, I might try installing fewer packs and see if it helps. I'd miss LN though, in a way, I like the vampires. Sigh... come on EA, sort it out!
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    nickibitswardnickibitsward Posts: 3,115 Member
    edited March 2011
    45rpm wrote:
    Hiya Nick
    How are things with you
    I got the problem before I had late night or ambitions
    I got it right after the patch before late night so I agree
    that uninstalling would not help one iota or it wont for me.
    After that I got both for Christmas and installed them both
    Still had the problems and they were really not any worse
    The longer I played the worse it got with or without those addons

    Hi 45rpm: I think it's that update before LateNight. Wasn't it supposed to "fix" a couple instances of frozen or invisible Sims? Which I never had
    until the fix.

    Haven't played this week at all - just can't get into it knowing it will screw up sooner or later. I want to but I don't want to, you know? Sad, really. Maybe
    by the Sims 4 - if there is one - EA will get it right.
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    crinrictcrinrict Posts: 18,771 Member
    edited March 2011
    Have you already opened your launcher and check your installed folder for Third Pary CC, if not I would suggest you do that and delete it. and try running you game again.

    This is not a cc issue. Why do you have to post this everywhere ?
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    zerobandwidthzerobandwidth Posts: 118 New Member
    edited March 2011
    psmweb wrote:
    I notice the crowd beeing infront of the school and did reset all sims with resetsim *, they were gone. The save game is from 8.15 in the morning and the lag starts at 12.15 or something. Always the same, no matter what I do. I uninstall all custom content, did edit town(Playing In Sunset Valley), evict almoust half the town, save it, and continiu, but still at 12.15 it happens the invisible and the reseting sims.

    I guarantee you have someone inside a rabbithole who's glitching the game when they leave work. Go back, Edit Town, Build/Buy every rabbithole lot, and see what happens. If you have one of the sims in your active household who was at work, just keep them at home and eat the one day of bad performance. If that fixes your problem, it's time for a career change. :wink:
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    PorixPorix Posts: 18
    edited March 2011
    didnt take 11 weeks for my sims to turn invi. i think it was more like 4 weeks.

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