Relationship Gains and Losses. Base Game Update
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My teen sim met another teen sim they had amazing compatibility with and they gain ‘very fast’ from this so the bar was full in two meetings.
They met a child sim they have bad compatibility with and gain ‘much slower’ from this. They are getting closer with each meeting but it is more of a challenge and something to work on.
Interesting. That explains it.
Edit: BTW, this is typical of so many of the packs. Not the tweaking; that's fine. But the fact that the social impact leans so heavily in favor of adults and their children. Which was pretty unnecessary; sim parents and kids are usually die hard friends effortlessly.
You bring up a good point. What was the reason they added all this stuff with personality and characteristics if at the end of the day, 2 people still will struggle to get to know each other based solely on their age?
Have you tried it lately? They may have already lowered the amount. I made a mod a while back and changed the gain to just one social point in protest, but looking at it now you only get 5 points un-modded, which isn't ALL that much. Seems like it used to be like 20 or something.
In any case, I doubt if the changes affect it at all; I think it's just a lump sum you get without all the social variances calculated in.
ETA: And patches. It's Ground Zero. Anything else that changes social isn't affected...just the original foundation. So I guess it affects it a bit, but not as much as if they had rebuilt the entire thing.
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Not sure if that is from my quote, but in my last post I was talking about the photo relationship gain mightysprite brought up.
My personal gripe with this change is that age-based modifiers do not reflect how sims in my setting socialize at all. To them which social class and faction (career, neighborhood etc.) one belongs to is much more important.
Actually, the base is what affects it the most. From what I can see, most of the other dynamics add or subtract from the number which determines if the social interaction is a success or failure. It works like when you try and talk about music to a non-music loving sim, it fails much more often. Sims you are compatible with you DO get a bonus to the relationship gain(an extra .50 for amazing, .25 for good). But after all that. if you only get half the amount of points for a certain age group to age group, you're only going to get half the points period if you succeed.
My adult sim succeeds at most of his interactions, but he's still not making friends, because he's not inviting children, infants and toddlers over to his house to chat with.
EDIT - I just found a crossagetuning_pie_menu_score bit, with a multiplier for ages with other ages, but it makes no sense because it's not even close to what's mentioned above. Or I can't read it, lol. So no real idea what's going on.
And the age difference pluses and minuses aren't slight between the two, they are overwhelming. Elders, toddlers, and children are about the same for both, and pretty fast. Infants are slower for YA, but who cares for those few days? But YA to teens gains is unchanged, while A to teens is VERY SLOW (in capitals). YA to other YA, slightly faster than before, while A to YA is slightly slower. And YA to A is unchanged, while A to A is much slower. So adults don't even get along with their own kind.
The dumbest thing about all this to me is it treats young adults as if they are a tiny age range, just past teen, and adults like they are all about to turn elder. It should be an age range. In a perfect game each day they would get older; I know that's hard and I don't expect exactly that, but this is crazy stark between the age groups.
Edit-went in and changed my adult sim to a young adult and made three friends in two days. Sorry, but the changes are anything but subtle, at least when it comes to adults.
So to sum up. For adults, you get less points for a positive interaction with every age group older than a child (except elders, they stayed the same). And you lose more points for a negative interaction with all those ages as well. So if you get two positives and one negative out of three, you're pretty much gaining nothing. Terrible design.
If they had negative interactions they would lose points in bigger chunks than before. It's complicated; it looks like if the adults does the negative interaction there's now a much bigger loss, but if the elder does it, it's the same loss as before. But at least with those two ages paired, they gain them as the same rate as before.