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SEXUAL ORIENTATION IN THE SIMS 4 - New Update to Feature Sexual Orientation in Create a Sim

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  • catmando830catmando830 Posts: 9,117 Member
    I'm glad they're adding sexual orientation, and I hope this is a baby step to a more in-depth attraction system later on (you know, one where we can use traits and physical attributes as turnoffs/turnons). Though, this does make the female werewolf beast form customization issue stick out even more as a side-effect. All of these great tools to customize our sims' sexual and gender identity...but female werewolves have their busts locked to flat and you have to pull the hip and waist sliders to maximim or near maximum to give them proper feminine curves when transformed. Thanks for the official sexual orientation options...now please fix female werewolves' beast forms.

    Answer about the female werewolves breasts:

    Can female werewolves’ breasts be seen?

    Yes, but they’d be wolf te-ats, not human breasts.

    One might think that a wolf with human breasts would draw attention first to the presence of breasts, NOT the absence of a tail. So “no tail” being the distinguishing mark for classic werewolves means their breasts are actually wolf te-ats.



    That's not an answer, let alone an acceptable one. If I can make a bisexual female human sim with cartoonishly exaggerated bust, waist, hips, and behind, who is also able to get other people pregnant, then I should be able to have proper breasts and feminine curves on my female werewolf in her werewolf form. Period.

    That certainly is an answer - I got it off a sight dedicated to people who believe in WW.

    You can make your Sims, WW or not look anyway you want in CAS.
  • LeGardePourpreLeGardePourpre Posts: 15,560 Member
    edited July 2022
    I hope it won't be another half-baked feature which doesn't work with the existing content.
    • Romantic trait vs Aromantic sim
    • Romantic Aura lot trait
    • EP02 Get Together - Club Activities :
      • Be Romantic vs Aromantic sim
      • Woohoo vs Asexual sim
    • EP03 City Living - Romance Festival
    • EP05 Seasons - Love Day Traditions :
      • Romantic Spirit
      • Go on a Date
      • Watch Romantic TV : Straight TV vs LGBTQIA+ sim
    • EP09 Eco Lifestyle - Free Love NAP
  • nMysa_1nMysa_1 Posts: 6 New Member
    Has the highschool sims pack came out yet.
  • PenguinFoopPenguinFoop Posts: 1,582 Member
    nMysa_1 wrote: »
    Has the highschool sims pack came out yet.

    It's still asking us to pre-order. So it hasn't dropped yet.
  • friendlysimmersfriendlysimmers Posts: 7,587 Member
    nMysa_1 wrote: »
    Has the highschool sims pack came out yet.

    july 28 is the date the pack is officialy out as mention its still preorder status
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  • GirafHuntrGirafHuntr Posts: 759 Member
    Monaveil wrote: »
    The game has already been setting Gender Preferences for random townies. It's been doing it for over a year.

    When I start a new save with a single Sim, unless that Sim has a Gender Preference, the only Sims that have a GP are married premades which is one of the reasons why I didn't think it made sense for the game to make them appear at every venue and community lot. Why would my single unattached Sim be interested in meeting a married Sim? I think I found out why. One of the biggest flirts in my game has consistently been Brant Hecking, who's a great Sim to play. Brent not so much because he seems to be always angry or enraged. I think our Sims are supposed to be home-wreckers.

    For the past year or so, I've noticed that random townies won't have a GP until my playable Sim becomes romantically involved with someone. Once my playable Sim has established a GP then all random townies generated after that will have a GP too, including children. The combination I see most often is that a townie will have a GP of +100 for Male and +100 for Female. This includes newly generated townie children. I wonder if this is how it's going to be handled after the update? I'm not really too keen on kids having a GP but knowing EA/Maxis this is probably intended.

    How did you view the "GP" of children? When I use MCCC to view gender preferences on Sims, I have absolutely never seen one appear on a Sim child. Teens and up only. I saw one other person say that they saw a gender preference on a child Sim once, and it sounded like that was a glitch, or possibly a child that someone had aged down from an older age group. Were you using MCCC, or seeing this another way?
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  • halloweenchildhalloweenchild Posts: 1,534 Member
    As I said above, I do advise caution for the Gurus not to update the preferences of pre-existing NPC's as I firmly believe they should be left in the hands of players to decide. But that's all I can do.

    The Gurus said in the live stream that all premades already in the game will not have sexual orientations. They will be the same as always. They were going to go back and update them, but decided there are too many and they scrapped the idea.

    Ahhh, I must have skipped over that part of the live stream and got confused by the announcement that EA released about the sexuality update. I'm hoping it's not as chaotic as TS3 attraction system, hoo boy that was a hot mess.

    It was towards the end of their discussion of the system if I remember correctly. The whole conversation starts around the 31:00 mark.

    I don't remember a lot about that attraction system, I recall it had things like zodiac signs, favorite color, things like that. That's the kind of thing I don't want to see the TS4 attraction system to be built around. It can be a minor part of it, but not something that carries a lot of weight. I want the attraction system to be built around things like personality traits, shared interests, at the top, hair color and eye color somewhere in the middle or lower end lower end of points of attraction. I'd love for that system to have a whole list of things that our sims find attractive and allow so to pick and choose and then have those choices ranked and weighted. If you have a list the things at the top are more important, more powerful. Or have two tiers of things they find attractive, things in tier 1 are twice as strong as things in tier 2. I don't want it to be all about superficial appearances.

    Oh yeah, I had to stop watching around that point because I had other things to do at the time. So no wonder I missed it lol.

    From what I remember TS3 attraction system was focused around zodiac, fave colour and matching traits. No joke, I had a whole town in love with my married sim because they somehow had traits that matched with everyone in said town. Got a bunch of unsolicited love letters and gifts. Was quite annoying as you can imagine, especially since my sim was married and happily so.
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  • LeGardePourpreLeGardePourpre Posts: 15,560 Member
    edited July 2022
  • LeGardePourpreLeGardePourpre Posts: 15,560 Member
    edited July 2022
    The first version of this new feature give us 16 profiles :
    • Aromantic (No gender checked)
    • Heteroromantic
    • Homoromantic
    • Biromantic (both gender checked)

    4 Romances combine with 4 Woohoo preferences :
    • Asexual (No gender checked)
    • Heterosexual
    • Homosexual
    • Bisexual (both gender checked)

    A total of 95 different couples.

    Heteroromantic Asexual sim (Romance without Woohoo) + Aromantic Heterosexual sim (Woohoo without Romance) = impossible couple ?

    Post edited by LeGardePourpre on
  • Ersa_MiddletonErsa_Middleton Posts: 697 Member
    ^ That's very confusing.
  • ArzekialArzekial Posts: 667 Member
    SamDenny wrote: »
    ^ That's very confusing.

    I know, right. How I feel looking at that list...

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    Seriously, though, I'm really happy this is finally going to be in the game. Although, I think the time it takes to set up a new game world will probably double, maybe triple (yikes). I hope there will be a way to randomize preferences with newly created townies in the game.


  • beckyx1991beckyx1991 Posts: 19 Member
    Excited for the base game update! Waits patiently
  • SmellincoffeeSmellincoffee Posts: 1,012 Member
    I wonder if we'll be able to modify the percentages? I already have orientation in my game because of WW. I like being able to tweak the percentages depending on the savegame -- some having smaller, realistic percentages, and others having expansive 'everyone is bi' settings.
  • LeGardePourpreLeGardePourpre Posts: 15,560 Member
    edited July 2022
    @Smellincoffee

    It may not be realistic.
    A Kinsey scale shows that there are several levels of bisexual which means some people who think to be heterosexual or homosexual may be more or less bisexual in reality.

    And if 85% of people think to be hetero, nobody knows the percentage of asexual / aromantic.

    Sexual Orientation update shows us that there are more layers.


  • LeGardePourpreLeGardePourpre Posts: 15,560 Member
    edited July 2022
    The current Live Mode UI gives no info about the played sim or the other sims.
    I think the sexual orientation is as much important as traits, this info should be visible without CAS.

  • somewhsomesomewhsome Posts: 910 Member
    The current Live Mode UI gives no info about the played sim or the other sims.
    I think the sexual orientation is as much important as traits, this info should be visible without CAS.

    You can ask other sims about their preferences, and if they answer (they can refuse if you're not close enough), this info will be in their profile.
  • DaniRose2143DaniRose2143 Posts: 9,396 Member
    The current Live Mode UI gives no info about the played sim or the other sims.
    I think the sexual orientation is as much important as traits, this info should be visible without CAS.

    It's as deeply personal to our sims as it would be to any of us. You should have to get to know them really well before you ask something so personal. I get this is a game, but still it should be a question we should have to work up to. Bravo to the devs for making it something you really have to get to know another really well for first to know the answer to. Now if we could identify a lot as a gay or lesbian hangout then it should be a lower bar, but not an automatic by any means. There is always that straight person who came with friends.
  • TurtleShroomTurtleShroom Posts: 16 Member
    > @Smellincoffee said:
    > I wonder if we'll be able to modify the percentages? I already have orientation in my game because of WW. I like being able to tweak the percentages depending on the savegame -- some having smaller, realistic percentages, and others having expansive 'everyone is bi' settings.

    If this was the case, that would be beyond perfect.
  • Ray_TraceRay_Trace Posts: 509 Member
    hey so re: complaints about politics

    me being a demiromantic asexual has absolutely nothing to do with what kind of action i should advocate for in the real world and is, in fact, a facet of my own personality, and thus is a valid representation to request for in a life simulator where you are encouraged to simulate yourself.

    i'd like to thank the sims team for finally being able to officially make sims not interested in woohoo, but you can still have romantic interests with.
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  • DaniRose2143DaniRose2143 Posts: 9,396 Member
    Ray_Trace wrote: »
    hey so re: complaints about politics

    me being a demiromantic asexual has absolutely nothing to do with what kind of action i should advocate for in the real world and is, in fact, a facet of my own personality, and thus is a valid representation to request for in a life simulator where you are encouraged to simulate yourself.

    i'd like to thank the sims team for finally being able to officially make sims not interested in woohoo, but you can still have romantic interests with.

    Romance, sexuality, and gender are three complicated and distinctly different aspects of life. Not one single harmonious entity. I am trans and bi curious myself so I totally get you.
  • LyrieLyrie Posts: 881 Member
    I am very happy to see this update, I know longer have to debate if to install a mod! It is there for everyone.

    One factor of sims 4 I really enjoy are features like these, the pregnancy preference being added to begin with was what drew me in ( And toddlers) aka I am able to make same sex couples have children, mod free, I love that freedom of the sims 4.

    Also my two cents? I’d just ignore those that have different or misguided ideals than yours, energy is best conserved.
  • YeayawnYeayawn Posts: 2 New Member
    > @Werescythe said:
    > As long as this doesn't prevent me from having straight sims then I'll be happy.

    Ditto.
  • LeGardePourpreLeGardePourpre Posts: 15,560 Member
    edited July 2022
    The current Live Mode UI gives no info about the played sim or the other sims.
    I think the sexual orientation is as much important as traits, this info should be visible without CAS.

    It's as deeply personal to our sims as it would be to any of us. You should have to get to know them really well before you ask something so personal.

    I see it as a player and I'm not fan of hide-and-seek.
    For example all my sims have the Observant trait to let me know all the traits from the beginning.

    The sims should tell me everything about them, I'm playing with their life :p .

    Maybe a new Satisfaction reward trait could give this info.
    Gaydar : Intuitive ability of a person to assess others' sexual orientations as homosexual, bisexual or straight.
    Post edited by LeGardePourpre on
  • LeGardePourpreLeGardePourpre Posts: 15,560 Member
    edited July 2022
    somewhsome wrote: »
    The current Live Mode UI gives no info about the played sim or the other sims.
    I think the sexual orientation is as much important as traits, this info should be visible without CAS.

    You can ask other sims about their preferences, and if they answer (they can refuse if you're not close enough), this info will be in their profile.

    Except Family members, you can't ask this question because it's a Romantic interaction.
  • DaniRose2143DaniRose2143 Posts: 9,396 Member
    The current Live Mode UI gives no info about the played sim or the other sims.
    I think the sexual orientation is as much important as traits, this info should be visible without CAS.

    It's as deeply personal to our sims as it would be to any of us. You should have to get to know them really well before you ask something so personal.

    I see it as a player and I'm not fan of hide-and-seek.
    For example all my sims have the Observant trait to let me know all the traits from the beginning.

    The sims should tell me everything about them, I'm playing with their life :p .

    Maybe a new Satisfaction reward trait could give this info.
    Gaydar : Intuitive ability of a person to assess others' sexual orientations as homosexual, bisexual or straight.

    Nothing wrong with that approach. I have used that trait before on a sim with "psychic abilities". I actually enjoy having to work at getting to know the other sims, but that's just me.🙂
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