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  • GlacierSnowGlacierSnow Posts: 1,625 Member
    Comments on the comments on the comments :lol:

    It's interesting that you bring up Julian in comparison to Oskar. Julian is another character that I am really enjoying. I guess I just particularly like complex characters who have flaws but also principles. Julian is sort of played as a "bad guy" in the story, because of the point of view of the main characters, but he actually seems like a pretty caring person. His beliefs about what is right are different from Reynolds, but his motives seem very pure to me. At least so far.

    I love how complicated this story is getting. You've put a lot of thought into your characters and world, and it shows.
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  • SnowBnuuySnowBnuuy Posts: 1,194 Member
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    I really appreciate you saying that, thank you < 3 In one of my last stories it was obvious who the villain was, so I'm trying to make things a lot more morally dubious this time around. Shepherd Julian isn't really a bad guy, he's been caught up in the witchfinder brainwashing like everyone else. As far as he's concerned being anti-witch is what the Watcher would want from him. I'm interested to build on things with Julian and Reynold but I'm not sure when I'll get around to that stuff.

    Oh believe me it is getting complicated, I'm trying to keep track of all the subplots and still need to work in the whole thing with Annorin as well as Volpe XD ;-; And now the vampires as well...
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  • HermioneSimsHermioneSims Posts: 241 Member
    Ah, the suspense!
    I didn't expect to see Reynold travel all the way to Oskar's place this soon, but the interactions definitively didn't disappoint. But ending the chapter like that I can't avoid wondering how Reynold's confession will end... I can't wait to read more now!
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  • SnowBnuuySnowBnuuy Posts: 1,194 Member
    @HermioneSims Thank you so much for commenting as always < 3
    Haha neither did I, until I realised him charging off like would leave one of the Peterans suspicious as to why he would choose to go that far on foot…luckily being a werewolf helps XD

    Same I loved Oskar and Reynold’s interaction so much. I’m so excited to do the next chapter!
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  • mightyspritemightysprite Posts: 3,398 Member
    I loved it! I can't wait for the follow-up scene to that last bit of dialogue...
    that's part of love, isn't it, knowing the worst that your partner can be...

    Some great dialogue in here too. Elias's sarcasm is wonderful. And the "clean up after dinner" line. good heavens


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  • SnowBnuuySnowBnuuy Posts: 1,194 Member
    @mightysprite Thank you so much for your comments as always < 3 3 I did want to carry it on, but the chapter was getting too long, so I had to leave it there : P
    I already love Oskar so darn much, I still love that line, he's so corny XD
    Elias hasn't appeared much, but he's one of the more cynical members of the Peteran church. Nice enough, but a bit on the grumpy side, and I also think that deep down he's not entirely sure if Reynold is ready to run the church or not. I like to think he'd make a decent leader, but I highly doubt that's a position he'd want in the long term.
    That's a really good way to put it actually. Sometimes part of it really is knowing the worst the person you care about could possibly do, in a dark way.

    As a little cool thing to show all the readers, I've made headers for each act out of sheer boredom. Enjoy!
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  • GlacierSnowGlacierSnow Posts: 1,625 Member
    Those header pictures look great!
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  • _sims_Yimi_sims_Yimi Posts: 1,585 Member
    Not reading from my usual laptop, so I'll leave the comment here :mrgreen:
    Oskar is very convinced that Áine is not dangerous despite… not really knowing anything about her? Violeta is too extreme in wanting her dead just because she’s a spellcaster, though. Hopefully Oskar can make her see that. He seems naively idealistic, where she’s too set in her own grudges. Add those two together and you have a perfect blank opinion slate, ha.
    Hm? You have a sentence that seems like it ends halfway 🤔 [We were told never to speak back, but ] that one.

    Well, that’s one heck of a first meeting between Oskar and Reynold! Good thing neither of them ended up killing the other, and things cleared up very quickly. Oskar is very right to call him out on hiding his true self from Áine. He’s been keeping it from her for entirely too long. She deserves to know what she’s getting into with her child. Bloodmoon pact, huh? I bet we'll end up hearing more about that in the future.

    Ouch. Oh, Áine. Being overcome by rage and acting in the moment is not the same as deliberately plotting to kill your own spouse and orphan your own child. Oof, they both have very big revelations to share with the other. I wonder how that conversation is going to go…
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  • SnowBnuuySnowBnuuy Posts: 1,194 Member
    @GlacierSnow Thank you so much!! and @_sims_Yimi Thank you for the comment as always < 3
    Thanks for telling me about the unfinished sentence. I remember I forgot to go back to it because I wasn't sure how to word it. It's now: 'We were told never to speak back to our elders, but today, people know better where they stand and what they deserve- good on them.' I'm glad you noticed that contrast between Oskar and Violeta. Although he's very emotionless, Oskar still tries to live a full life whereas Violeta is a lot more...I think jaded is the word.

    Ohh yeah I just knew at that point these two would have to meet in their 'other' forms, and then it would get darkly funny from there XD Yeah, as much as we all love Reynold he's made a massive error in not telling HIS OWN GIRLFRIEND THAT HE'S A WEREWOLF WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU MAN!!! I actually think sometimes Reynold falls victim to not checking himself as much as he should, because he's usually the one telling other people how to live their lives when they call upon him for counsel. Yeah, soon-ish there'll be more details on the Bloodmoon pact. It's a past thing in the story. Yeah, they both have some fun things to share with each other! Let's see how it goes! : P
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  • SnowBnuuySnowBnuuy Posts: 1,194 Member
    New chapter is out and has been uploaded to the Chapter Index.
    This one got messier than intended. What is it with me and the arguments I write ending up more heated than I intended? : P
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  • mightyspritemightysprite Posts: 3,398 Member
    It was a beautiful chapter though, anyway <3
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  • HermioneSimsHermioneSims Posts: 241 Member
    Well, well...
    ... that was a tough read. I'm on Aine side of the argument about this, keeping such important secrets for so long is rarely a good idea. But Reynold is quite relatable as well, he's clearly not in good terms with his secret either. Hopefully being apart for a while will really help them to calm down and better understand what to do next...
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  • SnowBnuuySnowBnuuy Posts: 1,194 Member
    @mightysprite and @HermioneSims Thank you so much for your comments as always! < 3

    HermioneSims:
    OHHH yeah. It was not meant to be that heated at all, and then it just happened, similar to what happened when I wrote Julian and Reynold's meeting. XD Yeah me too. He definitely should have told her, and I get that yeah he's used to not telling people because as a witch you can't trust anyone really...but that's no excuse for leaving her in the dark, especially when he planned to tell her at Lunvik that he was a werewolf and that their child likely was one as well. It's gonna take a good break apart to fix this definitely. But I'm Oskar will happily step in with his unsolicited advice as always!
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  • GlacierSnowGlacierSnow Posts: 1,625 Member
    Interesting developments all around...

    I am really finding myself more and more drawn to both Clem and Oskar. They both have such interesting views on things.

    I don't think you should apologize for letting things escalate in your characters' arguments. Those scenes are what make the story so good. I understand that feeling though. I have had a long battle with my own self in writing, frequently undermining my own stories' tension by defusing conflicts or dialing back the intensity of the bad stuff. It's a struggle. I don't know, of course, what you're really thinking. But it seemed like maybe you experience a similar thing. Keep writing the way you write, and let the conflicts get out of hand. This story is excellent because of all its complexity.


    So... Aine and Reynold... hmm...

    I'm going to be a tiny bit contrary to what is probably going to be the prevailing opinion. To me, what they both did seems very much the same. Each of them has a power that can do great harm to others if not controlled. Each of them, in a moment of great anger, lost control and used that power to violently attack another person. To me the question of whether or not that person "deserved" it is a hard one to answer. We never got to fully see Bradach's point of view, to learn what pressures he was dealing with, what emotions and values drove his decisions, nor was he given any real chance to gain the empathy of the audience. Since we really only see Aine's side, it's easy to assume her father was just a terrible person, but without the full story how can we be sure? Instead, I just weigh the responses. The emotion driven loss of control and acts of violence by Aine and Reynold, and I find them more or less the same.

    So what I take away from this scene is... Reynold is willing to forgive the wrongs committed by others, and Aine is not. This is interesting.

    Eh... probably more analysis than you wanted. :lol: But, it's only inspired because this story is really, really good.
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  • mightyspritemightysprite Posts: 3,398 Member
    @GlacierSnow I wonder if
    there's something in there about spirituality, that Reynold has a spiritual path that values forgiveness, and Aine has a spiritual path that values will.

    (I'm not saying one is better than the other, merely that perhaps they function differently.)
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  • Lucy_HenleyLucy_Henley Posts: 1,970 Member
    Interesting chapter!
    I like Oskar’s section, where he’s dishing out wise advice and then goes “swirling the glass does too make a difference to how wine tastes!”

    I don’t have much else to add. Everyone else has said it much better than I could!
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  • GlacierSnowGlacierSnow Posts: 1,625 Member
    @mightysprite That's an interesting idea!

    Even without necessarily being a spiritual path, different people can obviously value different things.

    I also think that Aine is partly just scared here, since she's about to become the mother of a probable werewolf, and has no experience with this and no idea what to expect or do. I can definitely understand her being frustrated that her partner was apparently planning to leave her in the dark.

    On the other hand, I totally get why Reynold has a hard time telling people. Not only is it hard to talk about, but (especially in this world with all the violence toward "others" ) he really does need to be sure he can trust the person he's telling.
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  • SnowBnuuySnowBnuuy Posts: 1,194 Member
    It's so cute to see everyone discussing the story with each on here. My lil heart ;-; and @GlacierSnow never apologise for posting long analysis! I love reading it < 3 It's nice to see everyone so engaged with the story.

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    That's absolutely one of my favourite things about Oskar. One, that he can't stay on one topic, and two, that he can go from being an edgy philosopher/unsolicited therapist type straight back to 'Ooh, shiny!' : P

    A joint respose for @GlacierSnow and @mightysprite it was really fun reading your discussion! This response is a bit long so I broke it down into sections.

    Glacier: I get exactly what you mean by what you said about the 'don't worry about the escalation.' I'm glad you get it and appreciate your words < 3 My chapters almost never turn out as planned, but sometimes I think that's part of the fun : P

    Clem and Oskar:
    - I too really like Clem and Oskar. In every other SimLit I've read, every character like Clem (wayward imperfect woman who doesn't take any trash from people) has been more or less demonised by most of their readerbase, so I'm so glad people like her because I do too. And Oskar is definitely an interesting one, and is fun to write.

    It's sometimes difficult though, writing from the perspective of someone with so much life experience but also sometimes easier. Oskar has had years and years to work out ways of getting around different situations, so he's mostly of some help. That, and his very dampened emotions also give him that necessary 'distance' to approach other people's issues from a point of reason and logic and less from a point of emotion which, right now, won't help anyone. He doesn't deep down care emotionally-speaking because he doesn't have that gut feeling anymore, but contextually, he knows what he has to do or say to show kindness to good people and that's as close as he can get. He knows who deserves his respect and who doesn't. (I admit that's inspired from personal experience, because I get really tired of every lack-of/low-empathy character in fiction always being portrayed as entirely careless and cruel to others 24/7.) He knows the distance between the two of them will make them unhappy, but he also knows it's necessary if they're to heal from what's happened, especially for the sake of their child, who he knows they both want the best for.

    Clem, like Reynold, doesn't entirely agree with how her church is run, or their outlooks, and wants to do her bit to change it eventually. Reynold doesn't think Peterism is about throwing all joy in life away to focus entirely on burning yourself out for your people or your faith, and Clem wants to bring Jacobism back to its original roots of fear of retribution driving good behaviour, instead of complete subservience. It's easier for Reynold since every Peteran monastery is independently run, but it'll be difficult for Clem since the Jacoban cathedral is run by a central authority. So that'll be fun!

    Bradach:
    - This likely won't get explored in-story about Bradach, since no-one else really knew him well enough to bring anything up about him- so I'm going to talk about it here, but you've just dived into something I hoped someone would pick on that I left between the lines- and that's who truly is at fault for what happened there. It was absolutely terrible what he did, basically becoming a 'pick-me' type and ditching his own magic mostly to save himself. What he did to Saoirse, however...it's really something I left in the air and up to reader interpretation because I didn't know either actually. Did he really do it in the hopes that Aine wouldn't get caught as a witch if she was never anwhere near one? Or was it just part of his not-wanting-to-get-caught-by-association?

    He did genuinely love Aine, but like many fathers, had a VERY questionable way of showing it. But then a darker and much less morally-correct aspect of it all is, if the witchfinders didn't kill witches in the first place, Bradach wouldn't have felt the need to do any of that. Doesn't excuse what he's done, but the complexity of who's at fault for various things is something that I plan to explore a bit in the story- that blame isn't always easily placed solely on one person or party's shoulders, as uncomfortable as that revelation might be sometimes.

    Áine and Reynold:
    - I think you're right, Glacier, in that what they did was both more-or-less the same and I'm glad you picked up on that. It's why I cut the Clem flashback pics in, because as she's saying like 'I couldn't control it I don't know what I did I just came to and my dad was dead' he's reliving the exact same with Clem, coming to from an unexpected transformation and then seeing what he did to his sister. Whether Reynold wants to admit it or not, it both stemmed from the same thing. They both had the split-second thought of wanting the other gone, and then that intent was what drove both the werewolf transformation and Áine's magic, and a dark spell she's never heard of before.

    Glacier, you're definitely right about Reynold not telling her at the same time. He had to be absolutely positively sure, and being sure of who you can trust is nearly impossible for any witch. Not to mention even if Aine has magic, there's always the chance she wouldn't have accepted him being a werewolf at all.

    - 'So what I take away from this scene is... Reynold is willing to forgive the wrongs committed by others, and Aine is not. This is interesting.'
    This is a REALLY good thing you picked up on, and mightysprite's points and thoughts are really good as well. What mostly plays into this more than anything I believe is faith so Mightysprite is completely correct to guess spirituality plays a part. Mostly because of being Peteran, Reynold is quicker to either forgive, try to understand the best he can before making judgmenet, or give someone else a second chance, like he did with Gideon knowing he was a witchfinder.

    One of the paraphrased lines in the Book of Peter mentioned by Mother Joyce in 1:12 is that the best you can do with a dark heart is guide it towards the light, which is a big part of why she takes him in. Reynold tries to embody this as much as he can, even if he doesn't forgive someone. He sees it as more of a thing to try to reform than punish. Admittedly, not everyone can be reformed, and there are always going to be people beyond any kind of redemption, but where he can, Reynold will try to understand others before making judgement.

    - Some of what Áine said I don't think she genuinely meant, mainly when she accused him of trying to kill his sister. I think the shock and the stress of all that's happened (the witchfinder, Violeta etc) has made her question her trust even with someone who would never hurt her. That and she could have had the chance of having a child and then having no idea how to care for her, since the full moon will probably cause her to act up even if the transformations don't happen until adulthood. When she said that it did genuinely make him angry, but that's because in part he too has wondered for the past two years if he really did genuinely mean to do it, and he'll likely never figure that out.

    There are plenty of people beyond Áine's forgiveness, and I don't think , had Gideon had got to her when he planned to tell her what Bradach had done (bit late now Gideon : P) , I think she wouldn't have listened to him. She wouldn't have forgiven him for what he said he'd do to Kat. I think a lot of women or by extension folks assigned female at birth know that our denial of a second chance isn't necessarily out of spite, but the lengths we have to go to, to keep ourselves safe. The chances are we've all given at least one person a second chance and they've blown it, so it's not worth doing it again. Add on being a witch and the trauma to that and Áine has even less of a reason to trust someone if they break it once before because she's in constant survival mode.


    Thank you all so much for the discussion < 3
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  • _sims_Yimi_sims_Yimi Posts: 1,585 Member
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    Áine is very quick in drawing connections between Reynold’s lycanthropy and Clem’s scar there – quicker than I would have been, that’s for sure.
    Reynold’s first reaction (anger) over her calling him out on his killing intent is very interesting. To me, so far, he reads like he’s using his lack of control as a crutch. As justification, or something to point fingers at instead of himself, for his mistakes. The wolf is the anger. The wolf makes him lose control. It’s a part of him, yet very often he refers to his Wolfy side as if it’s separate from him. As if it’s something that acts on its own and he has to keep a handle on it. I understand why. But often the first step to REALLY getting a handle on something is simply accepting that it’s a part of you. Áine is forcing him to do a bit of introspection there, calling him out on that habit, and he doesn’t like it.

    Oof. That was a bad blow to their relationship. I’m definitely with Áine on this one though. Reynold is so frustrated over never being taught control and even that he was a werewolf, but by keeping it from his own partner for so long, he’s risked doing the exact same to his own child. If Reynold would have died before telling her, then his child would have grown up the exact same way. With no way of knowing until they turned, and probably killed someone.

    Clem’s opinions sound quite familiar. I agree with most of them, but you already know that 🤭

    Does it count as day-drinking if you’re usually up at night? I’d say drinking after regular hours is perfectly acceptable, Reynold 😆
    I wonder what happened to Ilse. If she simply grew up and moved out, or if something else happened to her, the way Oskar reminisces about her.
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  • SnowBnuuySnowBnuuy Posts: 1,194 Member
    @_sims_Yimi Thank you for your comments as always < 3
    Back when Aine met Clem she was curious about her scar, since it didn’t seem linear like she’d accidentally done it swordfighting. She knew she and Reynold did not get along, so she was concerned about that but didn’t want to say anything back then because it seemed like a big accusation, though she quite happily jumps to the accusation here : p definitely with Aine here. She’s right to be furious.

    Yup, Reynold had a habit of realising his problems but doing little about them. I think his guilt complex at this point is the worst out of any of them, because as you say he keeps talking about the wolf as if it’s separate. I do plan for a certain character or two to delve into that later. I think because he’s usually the one dishing out the advice deep down Reynold hates being the one called out and I think part of that actually stems from his upbringing and the obvious favouritism of him over Clem. On top of that I think what Oskar says plays a part in it too, in that being Peteran has subconsciously convinced him that he’s doing everything right.

    It just wouldn’t be a Snowbnuuy SimLit without at least one character going on a long ‘the people at the top don’t care about you at all’ speech! Nothing is subtle anymore : p
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    New chapter is now on the Chapter Index! And we get a new POV this time.
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  • Lucy_HenleyLucy_Henley Posts: 1,970 Member
    @SnowBnuuy
    Enjoyed the chapter! The image of Nia with the snow on her head really made me laugh :D:D
    Oskar is right when he says people say stuff they don’t mean when they’re in shock. He seems pretty wise.
    I can totally empathise with Reynold about being made the abbot. So much responsibility!
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  • SnowBnuuySnowBnuuy Posts: 1,194 Member
    @Lucy_Henley Thank you so much for commenting!
    Haha same XD I have to go into Sims 4 Studio and make it so my decor animals don’t gather snow I think. Yeah Oskar probably isn’t as wise as he makes out, but he’s got plenty of life experience, so for the younger ones he’s usually got something useful to say. Yeah, it’s all gonna go downhill from here I think Reynold. He doesn’t know it yet but even I don’t know how he’ll balance duty and family XD
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    I enjoyed the update!
  • mightyspritemightysprite Posts: 3,398 Member
    Katlego's tattoos are beautiful o:)
    So are her stripes!

    I enjoyed Reynold's ordination scene.
    You have a really good perspective on religious leadership and what it entails for the private lives and the private spiritual lives of those who are entrusted with it. That part where Reynold is preaching to the people the message he really needs to hear for himself, that's so true, and so lovely. <3
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