A New Issue with the Nov. 7 Patch? «123...Next Go

cbartsch69

I've read through all the threads on issues with this new patch, and I'm hoping this information helps others. My observation is related but not the same.

I've been able to play the game just fine with the new patch--even checked out the new roofs in build without issue. I played all day and the saves were all fine. (And no, no CC for me that could be causing this issue, just as an FYI.)

Today, I decided to check out the "favorite households" to make sure all my created ones were favorited--they were but I had too many (aka over 80). I bumped up to the 200 max, then went into the unplayed, game created households and decided to delete a handful of them. I did, then tried to load. And I got that infamous Code 102 (102:70c7f9a6:6aa41f3 to be exact).

SO, I of course searched online and figured out how to recover the game without any gameplay loss (I save a LOT for just this reason). Then I decided to try it again, just to see if I could pinpoint what caused the error.

I went back into the manage households tab, changed to 150 max this time and saved. I went back into my game and it played just fine. Then I went back into manage households and deleted just a few unplayed households--making sure this time to not delete any that were currently living in the world.

It crashed again.

I restored, and tried once more. This time, I deleted just one household (evicted and deleted the Pancakes...poor Pancakes) that I don't think anyone in the current household had a relationship with. Loaded the game and it played and saved just fine.

NEXT, I tried deleting just one sim I know someone in my current household has a relationship with (goodbye green-bearded Harrison).

The game crashed.

Even though it seems I'd found my issue, I tried another test. I reloaded my most recently played game (which of course restored the green-bearded Harrison), played a bit and saved it fine. Then I went back into manage world, deleted a whole bunch of unplayed households (including greenie Harrison again).

THEN, still within that same test save, I went into CAS instead of back into that played households with relationships built. I made an entirely brand new single sim (aka no existing relationships of any kind) and moved him into a house just fine. BUT, when I tried to go in and play this sim who was sans relationships I got the same Code 102 error.

SO, I went back and restored a save with the Pancakes still in existence (yay Pancakes!), just in case.

Because--although it's never been a problem before--it now seems that if you delete a sim that has relationships with any household you've previously played or intend to play in the future, it causes it to crash. So I guess I won't be deleting any game-created sims until this is fixed.

I hope this testing is helpful to people!

(ETA--Maybe it's just me, but every time I encounter issues like these that make my game go haywire, I picture that scene in WEIRD SCIENCE where things go haywire because: "You forgot to hook up the doll." Which makes me think that someone at EA forgot to hook up the Sim!)

rosemow

Hello.
It was very helpful and thoughtful of you to post the results of your testing It will help simmers to avoid deleting any sims that their sims have a relatioship with,

cbartsch69

Thanks, Rosemow! I used to be a beta tester for a big gaming company, so I try to help out when I can!

cbartsch69

On a side note, I'm noticing an uptick in "stuck" icons in regards to relationships lately.

First, in the queue. Meaning, that if you cancel chatting with a sim--both within household and with neighbors--the conversation technically halts, letting my sim do other things, but the X-ed out face of the person I chatted with stays in the queue.

And second, in the conversation/relationship bar at the top will hang there long after the conversation is over (even if the x-ed out icon correctly clears from my action queue).

This is an old error that I used to get a lot, but seemed to be almost completely corrected with the CL pack. Now it's back and worse than I remember.

rosemow

Hello
Travelling to another lot can help when icons get stuck

cbartsch69

Yes, I do that or go into Manage Worlds as that tends to clear it as well (and it doesn't seem to take as long as traveling back and forth to another lot). But I haven't had to do it this often in a long while. It's happening all the time now.

rosemow

I am sorry that you are having this occur more often in your game.
Clearing the cache files may help
https://sims4.crinrict.com/en/2014/09/delete-cache-files/

Artaios

On a somewhat related note: Has someone experienced their sims freezing constantly? Only saving will unfreeze them for a few moments. This happens constantly. Did not have this problem yesterday after the major patch but there seems to have been a second sneaky patch a few hours ago (Origin updated my Sims game again).

crinrict

That must have been just Origin acting up. There wasn't another patch. You can check your version number in the main menu

Artaios

The unfreezing seems to have little to do with saving the game but rather opening the menu as described in another thread.

rosemow

Artaios wrote: »

On a somewhat related note: Has someone experienced their sims freezing constantly? Only saving will unfreeze them for a few moments. This happens constantly. Did not have this problem yesterday after the major patch but there seems to have been a second sneaky patch a few hours ago (Origin updated my Sims game again).

Hello
I am sorry that you are having this issue.
Try lowering your graphics settings and see if that helps. Try lowering your in game screen resolution.
Sometimes having a large amount of items in the sims inventories and household inventory can cause issues. Try removing some of the items from the inventories and see if that helps.
Deleting the cache files may help
https://sims4.crinrict.com/en/2014/09/delete-cache-files/

Cinebar

You really should post a new thread and give a warning about what you have said here: 'Because--although it's never been a problem before--it now seems that if you delete a sim that has relationships with any household you've previously played or intend to play in the future, it causes it to crash. So I guess I won't be deleting any game-created sims until this is fixed.'

Others need to know not to delete anyone who had any meeting or relationship with your played Sims. If you do feel this is the exact reasons as it seems that very important bug post got lost in this thread.

rosemow

Hello
Crinrict has posted this

EuphorialQueen

New Patch for Relationship Glitch
@SimGuruNick posted on twitter

There's a new patch available! We've got one total fix for you, and it's for the relationship bug. Please jump into free-build now with no fear! Thanks for your patience! Happy Simming!
10:04 AM - 9 Nov 2017

https://twitter.com/SimGuruNick/status/928684790982762497

rosemow

It is great that there had been a fix update for the relationships /free build mode issue!

rudolpha

I'm not getting that error code but I did delete some sims after the first patch and my sim number was 184 (max 200). But then after the patch fix my game is showing I have 221 sims! I think the first count was only for living sims and now, possibly, it has added the ghosts. But it seems so high! This is my first game and I've been playing since 2014. I want to delete the ghosts but there is no way to do this.

Cinebar

rudolpha wrote: »

I'm not getting that error code but I did delete some sims after the first patch and my sim number was 184 (max 200). But then after the patch fix my game is showing I have 221 sims! I think the first count was only for living sims and now, possibly, it has added the ghosts. But it seems so high! This is my first game and I've been playing since 2014. I want to delete the ghosts but there is no way to do this.

Yeah, I can't remember who stated their game says over 600.

Kaygin666

Now all they have to do is fix the vampires traits from not working and I'll be a very happy simmer.

rosemow

Kaygin666 wrote: »

Now all they have to do is fix the vampires traits from not working and I'll be a very happy simmer.

Hello
You may like to press “ me too” on the AHQ EA thread that refers to the issue and/or post feedback there.
https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/TO-ADD-V-Some-vampire-powers-disappear-after-entering-a-new-lot/m-p/6406945#M49777

rosemow

rudolpha wrote: »

I'm not getting that error code but I did delete some sims after the first patch and my sim number was 184 (max 200). But then after the patch fix my game is showing I have 221 sims! I think the first count was only for living sims and now, possibly, it has added the ghosts. But it seems so high! This is my first game and I've been playing since 2014. I want to delete the ghosts but there is no way to do this.

Hello
SimGuruNick has posted this

SimGuruNick wrote: »

Dead Sims in your older save games are put into their own household that is hidden. These hidden households are unfortunately counting towards the Sim Count. This is something we'll need to fix on our end, but that's why you're having this issue

http://forums.thesims.com/en_US/discussion/comment/16144909/#Comment_16144909

Toula21

Hello guys.
I have an issue and i would really appriciate it if you could help me.
After the latest update i can't get into any of my households.I deleted everything and i tried again but it didn't work.The game stuck at the loading screen when i get in the household and keep loading forever and i don't know what to do.
Please if you know any way to solve this problem share it with me.
Thank you very much. :)

rosemow

Toula21 wrote: »

Hello guys.
I have an issue and i would really appriciate it if you could help me.
After the latest update i can't get into any of my households.I deleted everything and i tried again but it didn't work.The game stuck at the loading screen when i get in the household and keep loading forever and i don't know what to do.
Please if you know any way to solve this problem share it with me.
Thank you very much.

Hello @Toula21
If you have cc/mods in your game, move your mods folder to the desktop. Then start the game and see if the issues are still there. If it has helped with the issues, put your mods/ CC back into the newly generated mods folder that is in the sims 4 folder one by one or in batches and testing after each one to see which is the causes of the problem.

If the issues still remain, repairing the game may help. To do that, go to games library in Origin, right click on the sims 4 picture and click repair

If you still can’t access your households , go to the main screen of sims 4, and click on the " load game " button.Click on your save game file picture. Then click on the " recover game " button down the right hand side bottom of the screen,. Press on an earlier version of the save game from the menu that pops up. Then load that save game version and see if the issue is also in that save game version

Toula21

Hello @rosemow
Thank you very much for your quick respond.I found the problem.It was the main package of my mods wicked wims. So now what can i do about the mod? should i download it again from the begenning or i am forced to play without it?
Thank very much again :D

Toula21

> @Toula21 said:
> Hello @rosemow
> Thank you very much for your quick respond.I found the problem.It was the main package of my mods wicked wims. So now what can i do about the mod? should i download it again from the begenning or i am forced to play without it?
> Thank very much again :D

rosemow

Toula21 wrote: »

> @Toula21 said:
> Hello @rosemow
> Thank you very much for your quick respond.I found the problem.It was the main package of my mods wicked wims. So now what can i do about the mod? should i download it again from the begenning or i am forced to play without it?
> Thank very much again

Hello
We are not allowed to talk about those types of mods on the forums site. They raise the rating level of the game.
This is a link to an updated hot fix version of MC Command Center mod. It would be best to remove the old mod and install the new mod.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/mc-command-3-9-3-15282172

Sid1701D9

The most likely reason deleting a sim would cause problems is if the sim is in your relationship bar of one of your sims you play or the other townies. Most likely sims that spawn because of school, Doctor Clinic and service sims may cause a crash because the game can't spawn the service sim, until after reloading, this includes festival workers and townies.

However, deleting a sim with delete deletes the sim, but not the information, so I found a unique way to delete a sim. Any ghost I find that move in I give them a chance at life again, have kids through adoption if died of old age, if elderly, and when they die again you get a tombstone of death, now I can click return to neitherworld. Ghost deleted.