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COMPARISON SIMS 4 TO SIMS 2 - CONSTRUCTIVE THREAD
fabeme
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What happened to the sims? The goal of this thread is to give ideas to developers for the Sims 4. Ideas coming from TS2 which is more like the new opus than TS3 (no open world). Really hope that The Sims teams will look into it 
Hello everyone!
Have been playing The Sims 1, 2, 3 and 4 for quite a while.
Sims 1 is far away to remember, but I know I played a lot, till Sims 2 appear. It was so nice having this game in 3D. I couldn't stop playing and I've lost a lot of week-end on that game. My mother must have been so mad at me ahah ^^''
Then there was Sims 3, which was just so much fantastic with the open world. Even if they were a lot of things missing from Sims 2, Open World was enough for me to forget those. I loved it so much, being able to go anywhere without any loading screen.
Then we got Sims 4. I love the graphics. I find them beautiful, really. I know that it's not eveyrone who like those, it's comprehensible. Except the graphics, I find this new Opus pretty plain. I think that there are too much things missing. I mean, for Sims 3, even if there were thing that were not implemented from the Sims 2, I still could play it without getting bored. It's not the same thing for the Sims 4. I just get bored too fast.
So I strated playing Sims 2 again. I wanted to see the difference, this game was so far away in my memories that I must say... I'm atonished. How is it possible that I stopped playing that one ? It is just unbelievable.
I am not here to insult Sims 4. In fact, my post has the goal to let you know the little things that we had in TS2 and that we forgot. I hope that those things could be added in TS4 because they are fantastic and I have the feeling that if The Sims Team want to come back to the origins of Sims, it could help a lot to understand how.
I wont be talking about the negatives things of TS2 because this is not the goal. TS4 is mean to be the evolution of all of the others Sims games so I'll just talk about the great things that I've found out.
First of all, creating Sims.
Jewelry
There are a few things that would be great in the new game. Not sure why there never came back. First of all, the jewelry. We can already choose jewel, but we can't choose the side we want the ring, for example. It that screen capture, you can see that we can choose in which side we want it.
Personality
Next is the personality. As you can see, we can personalise it how we want. I can chose if I want my Sim really Neat, of sloppy. Shy, Lazy, serious... etc. My Sim will be really unique. I would love to see it back !
Attraction system
Do you remember that ? We could choose it what type of Sim our Sim would be attracted. There were so much of choice ! Depending what we would choose, our Sims would have affinities with others... or wouldn't fit very well with others. 2 choices of Turn-Ons and 1 Turn-Off.
I'll continue playing Sims 2, but I'm taking notes of things while doing that and I'll probably add more about gameplay. Then I ask you, what would you love to see back ?
I'll add your ideas at the end of the message.
- Possibility to choose the side for the jewels (rings for example) @fabeme
- More personality. Being able to choose what our Sims really are (neat or not, shy or not, nice or not) Sliders would be a great add-on and traits could be used for others things not included is these (said outgoing sim might be a kleptomaniac, a bookworm, and a diva) @Polyrhythm @fabeme
- Have an attration system. Beeing able to say what our Sims are attracted to (blond hair, black hair) and what they dislike (non employed Sims for example) @fabeme
- Buglars @fabeme
- Serving dishes to family member and visit. The one cooking serve the plates on the table for everyone and come sit with them. @fabeme
- Waiting for food. While sim is cooking, family members sit and wait for the food. They do not take food into the fridge if someone is cooking. @fabeme
- This, the T problem... Toddlers please@Ciarassims
- Cars @CiaraSims
- When our sims are invited somewhere, give them time to prepare for the event. Like they'll like at X time. Then they could go to the bathroom, or just finish what they were doing. In sims 2 this is what happen. Sims call a taxi and then do other things while waiting for it. @fabeme
- In relationship panel, possibility to see when our sims are angry with others (the picture is red and you can see the red disappear little by little till they are not angry anymore @Sha2520032003
- Parents teaching their kids how to drive @Sha2520032003
- Possibility to send kids to private school. In TS2, parents received the school director and tried to convince him that their child was a good kid for its school. @Sha2520032003
- Business, Sims buy items at the cash register, can get angry if the service is not fast and can even leave and let their bags on the floor @Sha2520032003
- Sims can develops interest by doing activies, reading magazines @Mstybl95
- Animations different with Sim characteristics (Ex. : outgoing sims did the 2 finger point at others, shy sims would keep their heads down when being greeted, nice sims would be more inclined to hug) @Susim62
- Better control of neighborhoods. Sims 2 could be bigger and their was no lost of relationship @Cabelle1863
- Buy groceries, clothes, cell phones (not having a cell immediately after birth) @MemoriiValentine
- More actions for kids (Cops and Robbers; Tag; Rock, Paper, Scissors; Red Hands) @SimsLovinLycan
- Telescopes with normal size (not a building) @SimsLovinLycan
Hello everyone!
Have been playing The Sims 1, 2, 3 and 4 for quite a while.
Sims 1 is far away to remember, but I know I played a lot, till Sims 2 appear. It was so nice having this game in 3D. I couldn't stop playing and I've lost a lot of week-end on that game. My mother must have been so mad at me ahah ^^''
Then there was Sims 3, which was just so much fantastic with the open world. Even if they were a lot of things missing from Sims 2, Open World was enough for me to forget those. I loved it so much, being able to go anywhere without any loading screen.
Then we got Sims 4. I love the graphics. I find them beautiful, really. I know that it's not eveyrone who like those, it's comprehensible. Except the graphics, I find this new Opus pretty plain. I think that there are too much things missing. I mean, for Sims 3, even if there were thing that were not implemented from the Sims 2, I still could play it without getting bored. It's not the same thing for the Sims 4. I just get bored too fast.
So I strated playing Sims 2 again. I wanted to see the difference, this game was so far away in my memories that I must say... I'm atonished. How is it possible that I stopped playing that one ? It is just unbelievable.
I am not here to insult Sims 4. In fact, my post has the goal to let you know the little things that we had in TS2 and that we forgot. I hope that those things could be added in TS4 because they are fantastic and I have the feeling that if The Sims Team want to come back to the origins of Sims, it could help a lot to understand how.
I wont be talking about the negatives things of TS2 because this is not the goal. TS4 is mean to be the evolution of all of the others Sims games so I'll just talk about the great things that I've found out.
First of all, creating Sims.
Jewelry
There are a few things that would be great in the new game. Not sure why there never came back. First of all, the jewelry. We can already choose jewel, but we can't choose the side we want the ring, for example. It that screen capture, you can see that we can choose in which side we want it.
Personality
Next is the personality. As you can see, we can personalise it how we want. I can chose if I want my Sim really Neat, of sloppy. Shy, Lazy, serious... etc. My Sim will be really unique. I would love to see it back !
Attraction system
Do you remember that ? We could choose it what type of Sim our Sim would be attracted. There were so much of choice ! Depending what we would choose, our Sims would have affinities with others... or wouldn't fit very well with others. 2 choices of Turn-Ons and 1 Turn-Off.
I'll continue playing Sims 2, but I'm taking notes of things while doing that and I'll probably add more about gameplay. Then I ask you, what would you love to see back ?
I'll add your ideas at the end of the message.
What we would love to have
- Possibility to choose the side for the jewels (rings for example) @fabeme
- More personality. Being able to choose what our Sims really are (neat or not, shy or not, nice or not) Sliders would be a great add-on and traits could be used for others things not included is these (said outgoing sim might be a kleptomaniac, a bookworm, and a diva) @Polyrhythm @fabeme
- Have an attration system. Beeing able to say what our Sims are attracted to (blond hair, black hair) and what they dislike (non employed Sims for example) @fabeme
- Buglars @fabeme
- Serving dishes to family member and visit. The one cooking serve the plates on the table for everyone and come sit with them. @fabeme
- Waiting for food. While sim is cooking, family members sit and wait for the food. They do not take food into the fridge if someone is cooking. @fabeme
- This, the T problem... Toddlers please
@Ciarassims- Cars @CiaraSims
- When our sims are invited somewhere, give them time to prepare for the event. Like they'll like at X time. Then they could go to the bathroom, or just finish what they were doing. In sims 2 this is what happen. Sims call a taxi and then do other things while waiting for it. @fabeme
- In relationship panel, possibility to see when our sims are angry with others (the picture is red and you can see the red disappear little by little till they are not angry anymore @Sha2520032003
- Parents teaching their kids how to drive @Sha2520032003
- Possibility to send kids to private school. In TS2, parents received the school director and tried to convince him that their child was a good kid for its school. @Sha2520032003
- Business, Sims buy items at the cash register, can get angry if the service is not fast and can even leave and let their bags on the floor @Sha2520032003
- Sims can develops interest by doing activies, reading magazines @Mstybl95
- Animations different with Sim characteristics (Ex. : outgoing sims did the 2 finger point at others, shy sims would keep their heads down when being greeted, nice sims would be more inclined to hug) @Susim62
- Better control of neighborhoods. Sims 2 could be bigger and their was no lost of relationship @Cabelle1863
- Buy groceries, clothes, cell phones (not having a cell immediately after birth) @MemoriiValentine
- More actions for kids (Cops and Robbers; Tag; Rock, Paper, Scissors; Red Hands) @SimsLovinLycan
- Telescopes with normal size (not a building) @SimsLovinLycan
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I think the sliders should be their defining personality (like a sim can be somewhat outgoing, a bit lazy, and very playful), then their traits would be more like little quirks and things not covered by the slider (said outgoing sim might be a kleptomaniac, a bookworm, and a diva)
Love the idea of sliders ! That would be fantastic ! Also would love if we could choose the traits like you are saying. It could be so much interesting. We could create so much different sims !
Here is an add-on to my list :
The burglar !
I miss so much that one! My sims were sleeping when I heard that scary song telling me that there was an intruder.
Serving dishes
I was really surprised about that one. I thought it was something that was added in Sims 3, but not, we had it in Sims 2 !
Wife cooked breakfast and there are 3 sims living with her. when she finished cooking, she served 2 plates on the dining table, put the main dish on the counter, took a plate and sat with her family at the table... but you know what ? And this is the other thing that would be fantastic... while she cooked/served everyone, family members just went into the kitchen and I could see the action "Waiting for food" appear by itself. They sat at the dining table and waited for food to be served in front of them and started eating immediately. This was so much for my heart... just so perfect !!!
"I have yet to find a gold so pure that it's worth it's weight in dog."
We can!
OMG that's my idea of smarter Sims!
I hope TS5 has the tagline: "Smarter Sims*, realer stories!"
*(for real this time)
Yes, really ! For me, THIS is smart Sims ! I just don't understand why we don't have it anymore because this makes dinners so perfect !!
"I have yet to find a gold so pure that it's worth it's weight in dog."
It makes me cry.
True, they can, but we can't choose the side we want it
Don't lose hope!
"I have yet to find a gold so pure that it's worth it's weight in dog."
Not bad suggestion. Personally I like the traits in TS3 over the 'traditional' personality points but a slider could be quite a welcome idea in the future
True
But then you made me remember something.
In Sims 4, when our Sims are invited somewhere, when we accept, we immediately have a loading screen. All what our sims have been doing just stop right there.
In Sims 2, my sim was invited to go downtown. She accepted and I was surprise because there was no loading screen !!! She just hang up, then called a taxi. She had the time to watch TV while waiting for the Taxi. When it came, she just left house and there was the loading screen. I really did love this.
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I actually would prefer that as well. I mean a loading screen is still a loading screen but at least you had to wait for a taxi to arrive before you went straight there. It added a sense of realism I guess?
Never cared for toddlers or open world, lots took way too long to load and I always aged up toddlers.
So I'm fine where we are. Otherwise I wouldn't play the game.
True, TS2 if far away, but I choose that one because the Sims 4 goal was to be mostly like the old Sims. They wanted to find "its" origins. TS2 had loading screen and no open world, which makes it probably mode compatible than TS3.
I'm not asking for Open World as you can see. Toddler, I would love, but since they won't answer about that, I just won't create another thread about that. I'm asking for little things that could add more fun into the game.
I'm not sure for mac, but I know that EA give TS2 ultimate collection if you have already bought TS2 in the past and still have the serial code. You need to call them for that.
This was a promotion 2 or 3 years ago, I got it that time, but I've heard that they still give it if you call, but depending of who you talk with, it could be more difficult. Still, I've read people telling that they still could got it with a lot of guts.
I just think TS2 had so much detail, that you could easily get immersed in the game. Even though it was a 'closed' world, I remember watching my Sims open the car door to get into the car, & the car back out of the driveway. Parents could take their kids to school. You could try to get your kid into private school. Kids would bring home new friends after school. As a family player, all these little details made my gaming experience so much better. I thought the dating system was awesome, the jealousy system, etc. In OFB, I used to love the shopping bags, and customers standing in line to check out & getting angry that it was taking too long, drop their bags & storm out. Everything wasn't so 'happy, happy' all the time. Overall, it was just a great game for its time.
TS4, though not a bad game, IMO is just missing the details & depth. For me, I don't want to see everything so 'happy' all the time. I'd like relationships to be challenging. It's too easy to make friends & it's too easy for romance. I'd like to see some consequences to actions. Remember in TS2 teens sneaking out? If caught, they got a lecture of a lifetime or got grounded. My teens, & even kids for that matter, stay out all night long. Key word = detail.
When it came to the sims personality, it was not just about personality points, but also interests. In that game, your actions could influence the sims interests by making them read magazines or play certain games, you could even make parents influence their kids interests by making them do certain things. That would make it so that sims that had the same personality wouldn't necessarily get along because they may not have liked the same things. They'd find conversations boring or just get argumentative. So sims could truly be unique from the get go. Then when they added in chemistry, sims could love or hate each other. There were so many options! I remember I created a "spouse" for one of my sims. I thought she was perfect for him...well, he didn't think so. LOL
Then there were the things you could do in the game. The options were near endless. OFB was obviously one of the strongest packs because it made how the game worked so diverse. Not only could you own shops, but you could use that system for other features. For example, I set up a government structure in my game. The parks, libraries, museums, schools, monuments, etc were all owned by the mayor. Once a week, I'd have sims pay "taxes" on these places using the ticket machine. That money would be used for improvements to the places. I'd also hold elections for the mayor. He'd have to host a party using the ticket machine and he'd have 4 hours to raise a certain amount of money. If he did, he could stay as mayor, but if he didn't, someone else in that career would take his place. --One thing I can say...TS2 ignited creativity. You could play right out of the box with what you were given, but there were so many more possibilities that people took advantage of.
And the systems worked no matter how you played. For example, I can have playable owners of a shop and when I visit the shop with my other families, the owner and staff are there taking care of the business and receiving the profits:
Things were unexpected. My family had finally earned enough for a makeover and I forgot to install the burglar alarm. Well, wouldn't you know it...that same night, a burglar broke in and stole a bunch of things. I was heartbroken for the family who worked hard for what they had.
Sim desires didn't always align with yours. I used to like it when my sim would look up at me and say...why are you making me do this?
It's hard to explain the difference between 2 and 3 to those who didn't experience two, and I think that's the divide in the forums between who likes Sims 4 and who is wishing for more improvements...
Nonethless, I've always maintained (despite how bland the base game was) that it's design is awesome. I prefer the semi-open feel. I prefer lot by lot play. In Sims that could barely be possible without mods. I wish that immersion of detailing everything so beautifully (decorations, lots etc) and knowning it always is part of your game as more hoods are added. I'm adding a beach side shopping district to my pleasantview and am having a ball with it.
I do love the Sims 4 graphics. Once they reduced that sunny glow thing they had going on, I fell in love with them. The hairs got much better too - the graphics of the Sims 4 reminds me of the graphics used for the Sims 2 official trailer - which was like CGI rendered... lol but The Sims 4 reminds me of that trailer. And I love that. I love the pixar look in the Sims game. Some of the lots I've seen with high end graphics cards look like an immersive pixar game, and I find that EPIC! I really do.
I've long said maybe I should just get the Sims4 now and start building and preparing my game for playing a generation of Sims... because I know that the lots in WC, WB, OS will always be part of the game. Not like in 3 when you gave up trying to micromanage. If only the Sims 3 had the Sims 4 gallery life would have been far easier lol
But I love the Sims 2 and I love the Sims 3. Asthetically, Sims 3 is what we wished Sims 2 was - but the game play is not the same.