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PdrHnrqPlay1

There's something that bothers me a lot, do not know if it bothers the other players. In my game I have more than one household and when I'm playing on a, the other is being controlled by the game itself, even disabling the progression of the game. When I return to another household, usually one of the Sims married or even both have romantic relationships with other Sims. Remember that none of my sims have romantic trait and aspiration for romance. It makes me upset because I do not like to create love affairs. And I believe that the game programming should stop with love affairs with Sims who are married and have a good relationship with your spouse.

Perhaps increasing the chance of rejection of the romantic overtures of other sims. Or eliminating the romantic actions as flirtatious presentation, autonomous of own married sims.

meeoun

I hated this too. Sadly this is the way the game is designed.
Sims 4: You Ain't Ruling Sht.

Cabelle1863

I can't stand this feature either. What drew me to the Sims in the first place was that I was in charge of their lives. Where they lived, their career, who they married, etc. These annoying random romances throws a wrench in my plans. I want my choice back. I want my freedom to decide who my sims are romantically involved with.

Polyrhythm

No idea how this is still a thing when nearly everyone (from what I've seen) dislikes it. Not to mention it seems to affect married sims more than single ones. If they wanna give out random friendships fine, but this is plum. Wouldn't be surprised if this is also a "feature" or "working as intended".

Sk8rblaze

Yeah, this is a horrible design flaw.

How could I possibly rule in a game that is constantly deciding things for me, and nudging me in its own direction??

Voeille

Yes, it’s one of the things I hate in TS4 the most, who could think it’s a good idea? It only increases shallowness of this game, apparently love doesn’t matter and it’s just sad. It was basically game breaking for me and I had to mod it out (here is the mod). But, I really don’t get that I have to use a mod to create something as basic as a faithful couple. This game is aimed at teens and what does it teach them? That everyone can cheat around and it doesn’t matter, the fact that you’re in a happy relationship doesn’t matter, feelings don’t matter, nothing matters, this game has no depth. Recently I decided to give TS4 a second try (before that I only played a bit in September 2014), I heavily modded it to make it playable, but after playing for some time I’m not tempted to run it again. It’s nice to collect things and master skills (however I won’t forgive them breaking the inventory system – I can’t sort anything and chests have shared inventory, so I can’t put e.g. metals in one and frogs in another, they both have metals and frogs, and the order of items is random. Really, EA? What was so hard about copying the system from TS3?), but that’s basically it. I’ve seen many threads about the random love affairs, so basically hundreds of posts. Guess how many people said something positive about it. One person. Yes, just one, and everyone else dislikes it. I think they should make a checkbox in game options so everyone could decide whether they want it enabled or not.
Sorry for getting kind of off-topic, but it’s pretty sad to see my favourite franchise dying in my eyes

Krisha880

I don't like it one bit. Worst part of it is when I play a household and then see my Sims from other households out on random dates, when I know perfectly well that both of them are in a relationship / engaged / married to other sims I know they are in love with their partners, so why are they out (in public no less) on dates? Maybe they are just hanging out, but I do see them flirt so...

I WANT TO RULE MY GAME! Sorry for shouting.

Erpe

Just another things which shows that they design the game only with young teens in mind as their target and don't listen to the forum.

Edit: Just to make my opinion more clear: 13 yrs old simmers could maybe think that such autonomous created love affairs are funny. But I don't believe that any adult simmers will be able to see the fun

PdrHnrqPlay1

Glad to see so many players as I do not like this random system. This is ridiculous. I believe that if they wanted the producers could modify it, just as they did jealous and to the death reaction...

luthienrising

The same thing happens with friendships and dislikes when you're rotating. Often those bother me even more - friendships between children and adults who aren't even neighbours, Sims I made good and cheerful suddenly disliking people, Sims I made loners suddenly having friends all over the place.

From what I understand from modders who've looked at the mechanism, the game takes some of the times that Sims are meeting in the background and puts those relationships straight to 40%, not the little tick up that it would get if we were playing those Sims.

I don't have an issue with this being done to unplayed Sims. I can see how it creates more variety in the way Sims interact in the background around my Sims. But I have a big issue with it being done to my played Sims. And I find it particularly upsetting that these new relationships get created even while other, lower-level ones get stripped out by relationship culling.

SimGuruDrake said the other day that relationship culling is working as designed (which only means that it's not buggy) but then something along the lines of feedback welcomed, etc., suggesting, I think, that they might revisit the system the way they have culling in the past. I hope the same is true of the relationship creation.

So far, the only tools modders even have for it are cudgels - stop all autonomous flirting is one, and another is to stop all the 40% relationship creation, even for unplayed Sims - but the first solves only sweetheart-creation, not other relationships and means that other Sims won't autonomously flirt with my active Sim, and the second is only a beta mod that seems, as far as I can tell, to be abandoned. I'd like to see a more appropriate fix for the issue from the devs, one that respects my rotational gameplay.

BlueBlack007

I totally Agree with Everyone here, I can not stand it when My sims go to another Sim they should not be going to and kiss them and such, I am like omg, makes me want to slap them in the face, or kill them off in My game, cause I want My sims to be faithful like they should be, also makes Me wonder if the member's of the team who put this together is the same way, and that is why they added this lousy reaction?

PdrHnrqPlay1

@luthienrising
It seems that the game is not making a difference of traits of the sims. If are sims, "system of autonomous relationships" incline to do what is programmed.

@BlueBlack007
I do not remember if this problem of autonomous love affairs emerged after the expansion get together. But should probably have something to related, I guess.

Voeille

PdrHnrqPlay1 wrote: »

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I do not remember if this problem of autonomous love affairs emerged after the expansion get together. But should probably have something to related, I guess.

It’s always been in the game, since its release, for all I remember it was one of the main reasons for why I stopped playing in September 2014. After almost 2 years it still isn’t changed, and I’m not sure if it will ever be. As I said before, it’s just sad.

PdrHnrqPlay1

Ohh, true, I had forgotten what you said. So tragic.

What a thing! If it's something that big, because they do not repaired?

BlueBlack007

PdrHnrqPlay1 wrote: »

@luthienrising
It seems that the game is not making a difference of traits of the sims. If are sims, "system of autonomous relationships" incline to do what is programmed.

@BlueBlack007
I do not remember if this problem of autonomous love affairs emerged after the expansion get together. But should probably have something to related, I guess.

Yes it started for Me , after the Get Together came out, so makes Me wonder if they did it on purpose.

PdrHnrqPlay1

Weird. Voeille said that his game is this problem since its launch. In my game happened a few months now, but I can not tell accuracy, but I believe it is already over six months.

BlueBlack007

PdrHnrqPlay1 wrote: »

Weird. Voeille said that his game is this problem since its launch. In my game happened a few months now, but I can not tell accuracy, but I believe it is already over six months.

Yup seems it started at different times for different people, so that is why I am not sure why it happened as well.

luthienrising

BlueBlack007 wrote: »

PdrHnrqPlay1 wrote: »

Weird. Voeille said that his game is this problem since its launch. In my game happened a few months now, but I can not tell accuracy, but I believe it is already over six months.

Yup seems it started at different times for different people, so that is why I am not sure why it happened as well.

I think they bumped the system way up in frequency in a patch just before GT, and added the friendships and dislikes at that time. I'd never had it in my game before then either, and that's with a *lot* of gameplay time.

BlueBlack007

luthienrising wrote: »

BlueBlack007 wrote: »

PdrHnrqPlay1 wrote: »

Weird. Voeille said that his game is this problem since its launch. In my game happened a few months now, but I can not tell accuracy, but I believe it is already over six months.

Yup seems it started at different times for different people, so that is why I am not sure why it happened as well.

I think they bumped the system way up in frequency in a patch just before GT, and added the friendships and dislikes at that time. I'd never had it in my game before then either, and that's with a *lot* of gameplay time.

Yup sounds like the same problem bout the same time , I just do not like that I can not control what My sims are doing, and for My sims to have their babies when I am not around , only to have to get rid of them and start over cause can not change the dang name they got, does not sit well with me either, makes Me sad that I have to get rid of a baby sim cause of the mess up.

PandaORose

I'm so glad I ducked out when I did. I would probably be a lot worse on these forums if I created my faithful sim couples and their families from the previous games and put it into this one; especially, if I created the very first sims I made back when I was first introduced to this franchise. "Livid" would be an understatement. I know that not every marriage in real life is not perfect (this game is not based on real life) and some are faced with infidelity, but I REFUSE to have someone program my sims, my treasured creations, into trashed-up characters from some outrageous drama or ridiculous reality tv show (which this game is based off of a reality tv show or drama; don't remember, don't care). It's okay if you like that sort of chaos in your game, I have it in my game (a different one) too but not for every single one of my families. Most of my couples last until they part ways when death comes (then, once they both die, they can complain together and spook their children and grandchildren in the afterlife ). It's not in my sims personalities to cheat unless I say so! Surely, there should be some type of consciousness for these sims, right? Surely, TS4 sims really do love their spouses, right? Surely, they're not robotic??? Is this why sims don't have wedding rings, so they can be the "player" they want to be?

I control my sims in the way that satisfy my needs, wants, and desires. I rule. I control their lives. I decide if fidelity or infidelity should happen. I want a good majority to remain faithfully married and to have most, if not all of the kids, follow suit. What happens if I created my parents or grandparents, who are/were married and placed them into this game? Then, all of a sudden, the game makes MY FAMILY out to be homewreckers. How DARE YOU!!! How insulting!!! I should be able to freely create my family in this game WITHOUT seeing my mom, dad, grandma, granddad, and my grandparents' late spouses without...omg. I see why some players are mad, livid, disgusted. Some player out here probably have created their beloved one's and..omg. This is inexcusable-disgustingly; atrocious; vomit inducing. Fix it. *goes crazy with maniacally laughter.* Inexcusable.

BlueBlack007

PandaORose wrote: »

I'm so glad I ducked out when I did. I would probably be a lot worse on these forums if I created my faithful sim couples and their families from the previous games and put it into this one; especially, if I created the very first sims I made back when I was first introduced to this franchise. "Livid" would be an understatement. I know that not every marriage in real life is not perfect (this game is not based on real life) and some are faced with infidelity, but I REFUSE to have someone program my sims, my treasured creations, into trashed-up characters from some outrageous drama or ridiculous reality tv show (which this game is based off of a reality tv show or drama; don't remember, don't care). It's okay if you like that sort of chaos in your game, I have it in my game (a different one) too but not for every single one of my families. Most of my couples last until they part ways when death comes (then, once they both die, they can complain together and spook their children and grandchildren in the afterlife ). It's not in my sims personalities to cheat unless I say so! Surely, there should be some type of consciousness for these sims, right? Surely, TS4 sims really do love their spouses, right? Surely, they're not robotic??? Is this why sims don't have wedding rings, so they can be the "player" they want to be?

I control my sims in the way that satisfy my needs, wants, and desires. I rule. I control their lives. I decide if fidelity or infidelity should happen. I want a good majority to remain faithfully married and to have most, if not all of the kids, follow suit. What happens if I created my parents or grandparents, who are/were married and placed them into this game? Then, all of a sudden, the game makes MY FAMILY out to be homewreckers. How DARE YOU!!! How insulting!!! I should be able to freely create my family in this game WITHOUT seeing my mom, dad, grandma, granddad, and my grandparents' late spouses without...omg. I see why some players are mad, livid, disgusted. Some player out here probably have created their beloved one's and..omg. This is inexcusable-disgustingly; atrocious; vomit inducing. Fix it. *goes crazy with maniacally laughter.* Inexcusable.

Gives HUGE Hugs!!, Thank you so much for your post, cause this is Exactly how I play My families, I do not use them to cheat on their Spouses and such, cause I believe in Forever for My couples. so thanks again, glad I am not the only one who feels this way about their Sim Families, much appreciated.

PdrHnrqPlay1

@PandaORose
So I also like to play with my households and let them faithful to each other. The biggest problem is these autonomous relations that spoil the course of the game that I want to do. It has happened once with wife of son's the my Sim get irritated because of "treason."

Ahh, The Sims 4 may not have alliance, but I put a ring that represents a the alliance on my sims.

Cinebar

It's bad when the game hooks up your Sim (on rotation) with any ole townie. Worse when it started diving into my own Sims in all my households recently and hooked up those households, too. No, no, no. I didn't want Sam (my own Sim) in love 'love birds' with my Elizabeth. Talk about Story Progression ruining my Dark Shadows stories. So, now I can't send him to that house to visit because they will be making advances. See, I don't rule. It's bad enough with the townies, but now it's your own Sims in your households with each other when you aren't looking.

ETA: My Sim Sam in House A, My Sim Elizabeth in House B...hooked up by the game. Just no.

PdrHnrqPlay1

Very annoying that. So far it never happened two sims that are mine who live in different houses to develop these relationships.

But this is a matter of probability. Since the game creates these relationships randomly can happen this problem with anyone.

catloverplayer

The only way to fix this is to add story progression to the game and some options to to turn this off from happening. A good story progression similar to the mod in TS3 would most likely stop this. In that mod you could prevent married sims from hooking up with others.

elanorbreton

catloverplayer wrote: »

The only way to fix this is to add story progression to the game and some options to to turn this off from happening. A good story progression similar to the mod in TS3 would most likely stop this. In that mod you could prevent married sims from hooking up with others.

Surely the way to fix it is just take out the bits in the program which force these relationships to be added?

I have stopped playing rotationally now. I do not rule my game. I am totally restricted and my creativity has been cut. I want that back.