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The Sims 5 Feedback and Expectations
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This is for the developers of The Sims Studio to mull over if they ever do and take some of my dreams and ideas and see how we see gameplay vs how they see gameplay mechanics and how I would want the game to play in the future of the series. I don't think any of this is possible in the TS4 because of it's genre core so I will leave it for The Sims 5, someday, even if ten years from now when EA decides to revisit the game.
Why do people return to older versions of their beloved games, no matter the genre?
Because they were built (most) strictly for the love of the game in the beginning and were not so much about the money.
This is why independent game companies enjoy a lot of respect from fans, and adoration and they keep going back to indie games sometimes. Looking for the inspiration of the love of a game rather than the dollar sign.
Yes, yes, companies have to chase windmills and whatever is trending, however, I think that is one word that should be banned. The word or phrase 'what's trending now' and most certainly hash tag. I hope in the near future those words will be banned in one of those lists that people come up with of the most disliked phrases...like the one 'at the end of the day.'
Forward. I hope the TS5 will be a more mature game, dealing with more mature themes. As Will Wright said in an interview several years ago, we allow it in movies, videos etc. but not so much in games.
I don't mean nudity, I'm not into seeing 'that' in games but how about more mature themes. I hope EA will someday return to the life simulator and hoping for the following in TS5 since it's too late for the TS4's core.
I would like to see the TS5 offer the following aspects in it's core. Would take a big budget and a big team and a big vision.
Creativity:
I would like in the future technology for the game to offer to players the ability to take any snap shot they have on their pc and add that to their game and turn that picture of a couch into the couch in their Sim's house. Or any object. This was discussed by one developer but more like for DLC but I want this to be in the core and players be able to use this without internet but any image they have in their pictures to be used as meshes for their Sims' furniture/appliances/ etc.
I also want to be able to create with more ease and much more affect and effect on the Sims wall paper with sounds, floors with sounds and Sims aware of those sounds. What am I talking about?
Creaky old wood floors, player takes a picture they like, add it to their game as tile/wood floor covering. We all know if we make custom content to add some 'sound' to the floor type if it's already in game. However, in the future I want players to be able to 'assign' the different sounds of wallpaper and floors and even the sounds of doors. The developers already do this with the sound of footsteps crossing tile and or wood in these games, but I want the player to be able to take any picture of the wallpaper and floors they like and add them and do this themselves.
But also, with all that robust creativity engine, for them to apply a mood to that décor. More than we see in the TS4 because the player would pick how does an old creepy, creaking floor sound make the Sim feel? This is where fear and or anxiety could be brought into the game on a deeper level.
What Sims with those emotions and or even traits want to stay or live in an old house that creaks and moans and or makes noises if this only adds to their fears and nervousness? I think this adds another layer of creativity to for the player and a deeper understanding of human nature to a Sim if these were brought forth in the next series.
This would also add ambient moods and emotions and give the player who longs for more grunge in their games (finally) the ability to bring it to the game themselves with any picture of any ripped or worn couch, wallpaper, siding, floor, but for the first time ever the Sims would know they aren't that well off as other Sims. I had hoped that knowledge of the Sim knowing they are poor or living in grunge would be in the TS4. I was wrong.
Putting a real face on the Sim. We had this in the TS1, I hope this will be brought back but more robust application in the next game. Please.
Co Op: Let's just get this out the way upfront. Yes, I'm not against Co op on a person's server in their home. I think EA could do this for a family in their own home who wants to play the games together. However, the Sim and the gameplay and how much is involved in co op would have to be fully fleshed out and never, ever take away from the single player experience. No carrot/stick to reward and or punish anyone who doesn't want nor have anyone to play in Co op. I can understand say those in a household wanting to play the game together, my problem has always been resources no matter what they are having to go toward that type gameplay rather than fully focused on the single player side of game.
The Sims themselves, I think it is long past due they grow up. People face real life situations everyday and they learn by failing, I don't know anyone who learned anything by auto succeeding at anything. Trial and error are in our makeup. Stick your finger to a stove eye, and the human figures out, don't do that. Walk down a dark alley alone, you might rethink it next time.
The Sims had a lot of this in the beginning and was at it's core of what type game it was, and even TS2 stuck with this failure/success core. However, TS3 and TS4 have moved away from this concept as I have said in my other thread. It's time (imho) The Sims (I hope TS5) take this even farther and of a more mature theme, nature. People live, they die. Sims should die, too. People take a lot of crazy risks, sometimes they cheat fate, and sometimes that choice ends their life. I think The Sims should explore this side of our real lives.
People lay out of work, but I don't know any company who just let's that slide and doesn't punish the employee. Time to grow up Sims (or go back to the earlier moto) they should be fired, or have to beg to keep their job, or make up for it somehow, but getting fired should be on the boss's mind right up front. Because it's been my experience if you don't call in and explain why you are staying out most bosses are going to fire you on the spot. They don't have time to coddle an employee who over slept. Or who has personal problems, because personal problems belong at home not in the work place. So, it's my idea the Sims should grow up and face the music. Even more than they did in the TS2.
Life and Death. None of us came here to stay. Not one. Sims should have to face some illnesses that are risky and could kill them, and or accidents that can kill them, again. Because there is no such thing as an accident, but negligence. No matter who that negligence falls on. Yes, we can all say something about a freak accident but was it really? Lightening Strike? Was it really? Or should a person move inside when a storm is coming? To me this was triggered by the person, and or the Sim being outside when they should have heeded the thunder. In other words death triggered by the choice the player made.
But in the last few years we see those are removed or the ratio of a so called accident happening is null and void. Very, very rare. It wasn't in the spirit of the game anymore. Though it was one of the key factors of deciding what type of game The Sims would be based on failure and teaching the player how to take better care without having to have a text message.
Sandbox Freedom:
You can't have a true sandbox when the game is telling you what you have to do next. Period. The skills and education a Sim receives should be based on 'if' that Sim wants to pursue that avenue of play. This is all my opinion and actually my wishes for the TS5. Not trying to tell people how to play but what I want in the next series.
Example: If a game tells you this Sim must do this in a particular way then that is no longer sandbox, at all. It has stepped away from sandbox into another genre.
Becoming a Doctor: It's going to be 2019 or something....shouldn't Sims have to get some education to get a degree or P.H.D. etc. 'before' they must mosey on up to someone and start treating them? No, I'm not trying to take away the imagination and or sandbox, but shouldn't Sims have to do a little more to get a promotion and above everything else, shouldn't the player be asked if they want to proceed and go to the next level of a career?
Though I loved the TS2, if my Sims somehow got some skills just by living, like cleaning the bathroom etc., I might not have wanted them to get a promotion because of it, so I hope TS5 will 'ask' before promoting and or let the Sim apply for a promotion etc.
I'll be back in a day or two to add to my dreams of TS5.
Why do people return to older versions of their beloved games, no matter the genre?
Because they were built (most) strictly for the love of the game in the beginning and were not so much about the money.
This is why independent game companies enjoy a lot of respect from fans, and adoration and they keep going back to indie games sometimes. Looking for the inspiration of the love of a game rather than the dollar sign.
Yes, yes, companies have to chase windmills and whatever is trending, however, I think that is one word that should be banned. The word or phrase 'what's trending now' and most certainly hash tag. I hope in the near future those words will be banned in one of those lists that people come up with of the most disliked phrases...like the one 'at the end of the day.'
Forward. I hope the TS5 will be a more mature game, dealing with more mature themes. As Will Wright said in an interview several years ago, we allow it in movies, videos etc. but not so much in games.
I don't mean nudity, I'm not into seeing 'that' in games but how about more mature themes. I hope EA will someday return to the life simulator and hoping for the following in TS5 since it's too late for the TS4's core.
I would like to see the TS5 offer the following aspects in it's core. Would take a big budget and a big team and a big vision.
Creativity:
I would like in the future technology for the game to offer to players the ability to take any snap shot they have on their pc and add that to their game and turn that picture of a couch into the couch in their Sim's house. Or any object. This was discussed by one developer but more like for DLC but I want this to be in the core and players be able to use this without internet but any image they have in their pictures to be used as meshes for their Sims' furniture/appliances/ etc.
I also want to be able to create with more ease and much more affect and effect on the Sims wall paper with sounds, floors with sounds and Sims aware of those sounds. What am I talking about?
Creaky old wood floors, player takes a picture they like, add it to their game as tile/wood floor covering. We all know if we make custom content to add some 'sound' to the floor type if it's already in game. However, in the future I want players to be able to 'assign' the different sounds of wallpaper and floors and even the sounds of doors. The developers already do this with the sound of footsteps crossing tile and or wood in these games, but I want the player to be able to take any picture of the wallpaper and floors they like and add them and do this themselves.
But also, with all that robust creativity engine, for them to apply a mood to that décor. More than we see in the TS4 because the player would pick how does an old creepy, creaking floor sound make the Sim feel? This is where fear and or anxiety could be brought into the game on a deeper level.
What Sims with those emotions and or even traits want to stay or live in an old house that creaks and moans and or makes noises if this only adds to their fears and nervousness? I think this adds another layer of creativity to for the player and a deeper understanding of human nature to a Sim if these were brought forth in the next series.
This would also add ambient moods and emotions and give the player who longs for more grunge in their games (finally) the ability to bring it to the game themselves with any picture of any ripped or worn couch, wallpaper, siding, floor, but for the first time ever the Sims would know they aren't that well off as other Sims. I had hoped that knowledge of the Sim knowing they are poor or living in grunge would be in the TS4. I was wrong.
Putting a real face on the Sim. We had this in the TS1, I hope this will be brought back but more robust application in the next game. Please.
Co Op: Let's just get this out the way upfront. Yes, I'm not against Co op on a person's server in their home. I think EA could do this for a family in their own home who wants to play the games together. However, the Sim and the gameplay and how much is involved in co op would have to be fully fleshed out and never, ever take away from the single player experience. No carrot/stick to reward and or punish anyone who doesn't want nor have anyone to play in Co op. I can understand say those in a household wanting to play the game together, my problem has always been resources no matter what they are having to go toward that type gameplay rather than fully focused on the single player side of game.
The Sims themselves, I think it is long past due they grow up. People face real life situations everyday and they learn by failing, I don't know anyone who learned anything by auto succeeding at anything. Trial and error are in our makeup. Stick your finger to a stove eye, and the human figures out, don't do that. Walk down a dark alley alone, you might rethink it next time.
The Sims had a lot of this in the beginning and was at it's core of what type game it was, and even TS2 stuck with this failure/success core. However, TS3 and TS4 have moved away from this concept as I have said in my other thread. It's time (imho) The Sims (I hope TS5) take this even farther and of a more mature theme, nature. People live, they die. Sims should die, too. People take a lot of crazy risks, sometimes they cheat fate, and sometimes that choice ends their life. I think The Sims should explore this side of our real lives.
People lay out of work, but I don't know any company who just let's that slide and doesn't punish the employee. Time to grow up Sims (or go back to the earlier moto) they should be fired, or have to beg to keep their job, or make up for it somehow, but getting fired should be on the boss's mind right up front. Because it's been my experience if you don't call in and explain why you are staying out most bosses are going to fire you on the spot. They don't have time to coddle an employee who over slept. Or who has personal problems, because personal problems belong at home not in the work place. So, it's my idea the Sims should grow up and face the music. Even more than they did in the TS2.
Life and Death. None of us came here to stay. Not one. Sims should have to face some illnesses that are risky and could kill them, and or accidents that can kill them, again. Because there is no such thing as an accident, but negligence. No matter who that negligence falls on. Yes, we can all say something about a freak accident but was it really? Lightening Strike? Was it really? Or should a person move inside when a storm is coming? To me this was triggered by the person, and or the Sim being outside when they should have heeded the thunder. In other words death triggered by the choice the player made.
But in the last few years we see those are removed or the ratio of a so called accident happening is null and void. Very, very rare. It wasn't in the spirit of the game anymore. Though it was one of the key factors of deciding what type of game The Sims would be based on failure and teaching the player how to take better care without having to have a text message.
Sandbox Freedom:
You can't have a true sandbox when the game is telling you what you have to do next. Period. The skills and education a Sim receives should be based on 'if' that Sim wants to pursue that avenue of play. This is all my opinion and actually my wishes for the TS5. Not trying to tell people how to play but what I want in the next series.
Example: If a game tells you this Sim must do this in a particular way then that is no longer sandbox, at all. It has stepped away from sandbox into another genre.
Becoming a Doctor: It's going to be 2019 or something....shouldn't Sims have to get some education to get a degree or P.H.D. etc. 'before' they must mosey on up to someone and start treating them? No, I'm not trying to take away the imagination and or sandbox, but shouldn't Sims have to do a little more to get a promotion and above everything else, shouldn't the player be asked if they want to proceed and go to the next level of a career?
Though I loved the TS2, if my Sims somehow got some skills just by living, like cleaning the bathroom etc., I might not have wanted them to get a promotion because of it, so I hope TS5 will 'ask' before promoting and or let the Sim apply for a promotion etc.
I'll be back in a day or two to add to my dreams of TS5.
"Games Are Not The Place To Tell Stories, Games Are Meant To Let People Tell Their Own Stories"...Will Wright.
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I find it very difficult to browse the current gallery as there are so many items and as we get more and more game packs and expansions, it might be good to be able to wander into different areas and see what the different GPs/EPs offer. As well, if we did happen to see something we wanted to download, a quick look at perhaps the floor coloring would indicate whether or not that particular item requires a particular EP or GP.
Another thing I wouldn't mind is for the game to be able to, using this gallery, is to perhaps introduce different Sims that people have made and automagically have them walk around in my neighbourhood as NPCs, and if I liked them, click on them and be able to select: Yes, I like this Sim, please keep or No! I absolutely hate this Sim! The only thing that I personally would require with this feature is that I would be able to control how many new sims get introduced in a sim day.
Just some thoughts for your consideration.
Regarding setting a Sim's loyalty, this should really be achieved from an updated point system, similar to TS1/TS2, or just a completely different AI system.
Traits are broken, and they have been broken since their debut in TS3. We are limited to a small number of very specific traits for our Sims. I'd rather see a whole diagram of different qualities and be able to distribute points among the diagram that would ultimately define who my Sim is, for example.
Come TS5, I am expecting ACTUAL smarter Sims. In TS4, it was only used as a marketing ticker. In truth, TS2 Sims are still the smartest.
In my case, I'm waiting for The Sims Series Compilation or The Sims (2020), I mean a compilation of all the good features from The Sims 1, 2, 3, 4 (Computer & console), Bustin' Out, Stories, Medieval & FreePlay and The Urbz instead of the current "Start from scratch" way.
20 years of good ideas should be enough in order to make the best sequel ever done.
Without adding new features, this base would already be amazing.
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The Sims 4 General DiscussionFor the sims 5 I hope that we get the open world and life stages back. I like the new emotions in the sims 4 and more immersiveness would be great.
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I guess alot of people aren't satisfied with sims 4
Yeah... this has been very clear during the year.
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I also wish smarter sims. It's seems incredible as adults they are still able to wet themselves instead of going to the bathroom.
Another thing would be to develop the system of directing the sims at their workplace. It would be fun to see a sim soldier running the obstacle course or at the shooting range for example.
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I just don't see ts4 ever being open to all play styles, toddlers are not coming back, neither will cars, immersed gameplay..basically nothing that made the sims the sims.
I don't ever see ts4 being marketed to the players who've been playing since ts1.
I'm just ready for it to go the way of Medieval, I liked medieval though lol.
I was half joking lol
I bet it'll be online and more of VR tone. Guru Grant somewhat mentioned they're looking into it in Conan's live stream.
If they ever get around to making TS5 i hope they put a lot more time, money and effort into it, make sure its actually done and caters to as wide of a player base as possible.
But they might just go the online way and TS5 might end up being the online chat game the TS4 wanted to be.
I agree. They'd be foolish not too. Games that lack online features are a bit primitive in this day and age. The gallery is a hit with this game. Imagine if they could figure out a way to connect community in gameplay too. "Play Together" as the slogan of TS5. I can guarantee this is the route we're heading. No doubt.
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Why so negative?